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Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by throwawayyay22 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @04:06AM (#21406595)
Posting under a throwaway account.

This is story I actually know something about. I knew Shane personally and attended many BBQ's with him and the various other people that made up the explosives team.

I have for obvious reasons not had any contact with him since the incident.

I can even provide what I am very confident the reason for why he did it. He fully knew what he was doing, and indeed the reason was for money. However not for selfish reasons. A captain salary is not that fantastic in the army and his wife at the time, whom I suspect he is separated from now liked to live fancy. In fact I am 100% confident it is because of her that he did it. Probably without her being involved, but I cannot be sure of that. I do know she overextended their finances which would have been a good motivator.

Any claims he made to forget destroying them are a horrible attempt at deception to reduce his sentence.

For what its worth he was ostracised from the explosives community over this. It was a very small group of people, and Shane's appeals to have them speak on his behalf were ignored by them all. The group is very tight and for one of their own to betray was seen as a massive abuse of trust.

Honestly I was very sad to hear it. Selling out your country for the low amounts he did is such a sad thing. I don't think he needed to be in the super max prisons he spent his time in as I don't believe him to be a dangerous person. Certainly a very stupid mistake, but not a dangerous person. I suspect most of his being incarcerated in such was as a message. Personally I remember him as a fun person at a party enjoying a few beers and telling amusing stories of which there were many.

As for if other weapons are missing. That is possible. Shane was tasked with destroying them. Its much harder to steal from stores due to them being tracked quite well but those to be destroyed are much harder to keep track of. Usually there would be several people involved to help avoid this sort of incident.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by missosoup on Thursday October 31, 2019 @04:39AM (#21406763)
> Selling out your country for the low amounts he did is such a sad thing

Our politicians have sold out to Chinese influence for sub-100k bribes. It's par for course. I understand that most people have a price, but taking a year or two worth of salaried income for a move that risks ending your career just doesn't make sense no matter how I spin it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/12/sam-d...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/alp-invoice-reveals-e...

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by amiga_500 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:37AM (#21408037)
Australian anecdote

> Shane personally and attended many BBQ's

Checks out.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by chris_wot on Thursday October 31, 2019 @05:33AM (#21407000)
Did the guy seriously not consider what would happen if they were fired into the CBD, and the massive and tragic consequences if that had happened?

I'm not at all surprised that he has been shunned. What he did was treacherous and could have caused terribly casualties.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by wyldfire on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:20AM (#21407896)
> what would happen if they were fired into the CBD

This apparently refers to the Central Business District of Sydney [1]. I was trying to sort out what this had to do with Cannabidiol but it just didn't fit.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_central_business_distri...

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by NamTaf on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:02AM (#21408229)
CBD is by no means Sydney-specific, just FYI, it’s a commonly used term in the English-speaking world. Due to the new-world situation of Australia’s cities, the CBD and downtown/city centre basically always overlap (I.e: there’s no ‘old town centre’ separate to the highrise district), so Aussies just refer to it all as ‘CBD’.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by loeg on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:22AM (#21408395)
The term CBD isn’t used in the US, as far as I’ve ever heard. That’s probably why some commenters will be confused. I am only familiar with it because of a former coworker from Melbourne.

(Seattle is sort of similar in that there isn’t really an old town center, or rather it’s directly adjacent to the downtown highrises (Pioneer Square).)

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by twic on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:38AM (#21408556)
It's not used in the UK either. Or rather, it's a technical term in human geography, probably used by geographers all over the world, but it's only in Australia that it's used in everyday language:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_business_district

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by kingofpandora on Thursday October 31, 2019 @10:40AM (#21409308)
I believe it's used in New Orleans. That's the only place I'd heard it before going to Australia.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by loeg on Thursday October 31, 2019 @11:30AM (#21409851)
Perhaps I should have said "widely used." :-) I have never been to Louisiana, but I've been to several states.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by nsxwolf on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:23AM (#21408400)
I never heard CBD until the first time I went to Sydney, but I understand it's common. I think in the US we tend to name our CBDs instead, like Chicago has "The Loop" and most places just say "downtown".
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by basch on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:55AM (#21408763)
Isnt it used in Dallas sometimes? Dallas also has a separate Uptown from Downtown.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by Sendotsh on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:45AM (#21407659)
He sold rocket launchers to bikies. He bloody well knew exactly what he was doing. He got off light.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by senectus1 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @04:14AM (#21406656)
|Honestly I was very sad to hear it. Selling out your country for the low amounts he did is such a sad thing.

yeah he def should have sold his country out for a lot more.. 0.o

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by rmtech on Thursday October 31, 2019 @05:00AM (#21406859)
They should pay the military decent money.

And he should have found a legal way to make more money, and he also should have been in control of his wife's spending (easier said than done in the modern age though...).

Selling the weapons was dumb because there was almost no way they wouldn't be tracked back to him.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by tjscott on Thursday October 31, 2019 @06:43AM (#21407357)
A captain in the Australian Army in 2018/19 earns between AUD$70,334 and AUD$130,704. Armed services salaries are tax-free, so that's not a terrible salary compared to the median in Australia of ~AUD$85k before tax or ~$65k after tax.

https://www.defence.gov.au/payandconditions/ADF/Resources/WR...

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/mf/6302.0

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by ajdlinux on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:33AM (#21407603)
> Armed services salaries are tax-free

In Australia, only reservists get tax-free pay, and only when they're not on full-time duty. I think some of the additional military allowances are tax free for full-timers, but not base salary.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by phs318u on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:11AM (#21407492)
> he also should have been in control of his wife's spending

Or, you know, divorced her.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by senectus1 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @10:25AM (#21409135)
I was being facetious. (looking at the downvotes I dont think many people got that).

But seriously though, this isn't about pay. The guy was a fucking idiot.

Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by hos234 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:23AM (#21407931)
Well I have no idea what Australia has an Army for. What are they defending with rocket launchers anyway?
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by NamTaf on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:06AM (#21408254)
Our armed forces deploy overseas on a variety of missions that include NATO support as well as peacekeeping. More generally, a standing army helps counterbalance the threat of land invasions in a way that a navy on its own could not. Thirdly, our armed forces are often used for humanitarian purposes such as supporting the country during our (not infrequent) natural disasters, e.g. flooding or bushfires.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by irrational on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:36AM (#21408030)
Have you not heard about the wildlife in Australia? From what I've read, every step you take outdoors, something is trying to kill you. I'm surprised every Australian school child isn't packing a rocket launcher.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by hos234 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:50AM (#21408141)
Crocodile Dundee didn't need no rocket launchers man. An Akubra hat was enough.
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:14AM (#21408319)
...and that knife. That was a knife!
Re:A Western Sydney Gang Got Hold of Military-Grade Rocket L... by mmjaa on Thursday October 31, 2019 @10:00AM (#21408835)
The ADF are key to the Coalitions mission: when America wants something dirty done, that will not have the complication of civilian oversight should an investigation be necessary, they come to the Australian Defence Forces...