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Re:The mindfulness conspiracy by kranner on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @07:16AM (#21396417)
Please cite a source for this. Ethics are supposed to help with Buddhist practices towards achieving enlightenment from what I’ve read, not the other way round. If they came about as a result of meditation automatically, the Vinaya would not need to list so many rules for monks and nuns.
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Re:The mindfulness conspiracy by AstralStorm on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @07:23AM (#21396461)
Neither meditation is said to be sufficient for enlightenment, at least to Buddhists who are not Zen (or Ch'an) practitioners.

We cannot just ask Siddhartha Gautama anymore about the practices and his words were mysticized and changed over generations, as were ethical rules and especially the added monastic rules.

Even Pali Canon is suspect in pieces and that's a more reliable source in the practices he reformed.

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