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Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by r00fus on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:19AM (#21394876)
Underground the power distribution like in France.

It’s expensive but probably less costly in the long run.

Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by rrss on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @11:32AM (#21398835)
The vast majority of power lines in France are overhead.

RTE overhead lines: 100000 km

RTE underground lines: 5400 km

https://www.rte-france.com/fr/document/statistiques-reseaux-...

If you are intending to distinguish between distribution and transmission, the lines in question in California are transmission lines, not distribution lines.

Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by ars on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:26AM (#21394903)
Wouldn't that cost something like $1 trillion to do for the entire state?

Math: 155147 miles * $750/foot

And an article https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2019/10/11/... confirming it's pretty much out of reach. $15,000 per household estimate (and 1,000 years!!).

Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by dmlittle on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:59AM (#21395023)
You wouldn't necessarily have to do the entire state but rather start doing this in high-risk places first.
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by misterprime on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:18AM (#21395073)
Good point. Is it also true that high risk places (forest/rural) are probably cheaper and easier to install underground than low risk places (urban)?
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @05:15AM (#21395795)
A lot of long-distance, high-voltage transmission crosses what's effectively wilderness. You've got issues of unstable slopes, earthquake faults, flooding, and ground-current losses (a big problem with undergrounded power).

And that's before you look at getting crews in place.

Then there's the question of monitoring, servicing, and repair after undergrounding.

It's definitely an option. But not a cheap or universally applicable one.

Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by el_benhameen on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:52AM (#21395200)
Not sure about that. The high risk places are also often in remote, rugged terrain. What you save by not having to disrupt other infrastructure you might end up spending just to get people and equipment to where they need to be. Interesting perspective here: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/california-wildfire-pge-drought...
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by sjg007 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:58AM (#21395013)
Well then everyone has local solar with a powerwall for when PG&E shuts down. Maybe that's cheaper? Honestly I think PG&E could bury the lines cheaper than $750 a foot.
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by SllX on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:11AM (#21395056)
Maybe, but I think CEQA will pretty much guarantee that it will end up being a bit more expensive than even that.
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by heisenbit on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @06:39AM (#21396206)
Maybe ultra sparse settlements on a scale as today are unaffordable in the long run? It not just power but also the roads and communication links. Accounting for infrastructure maintenance is not done properly.
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by rasz on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @12:42PM (#21399666)
> $750/foot

2-3 times more than per square foot price of building a luxury house in California, that number totally checks out!

Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by Nasrudith on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @09:05AM (#21397232)
Well the obvious thing to do is to bury the ones in wind problem/fire risk areas
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by bluGill on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @08:55AM (#21397148)
Underground power distribution doesn't last as long as above ground. So not only is it more expensive to install, you have to reinstall it more often, plus spend more money on repairs more often. Repairs take longer as well because you have to dig up the lines to do it.
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by Roark66 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @12:43PM (#21399689)
Not needed really. We have last mile underground, but major distribution lines are over air. However all plants higher than few inches are cut down under the lines the width of the cut depending on how high the cables are. I can imagine it wouldn't work that well in the mountains. Here it is just a matter of regularily mowing the whole thing (few times per year).
Re:PG&E turning off power to protect against fire has create... by m463 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @01:24AM (#21394899)
France does everything right (but it also does everything wrong.)