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Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by cellar_door on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @08:22PM (#21393499)
My understanding was that Gitlab wanted to collect your data to improve their product. Google is collecting your data to sell ads.

I understand the reticence towards third party telemetry, but refusing basic interaction tracking for a product you pay for is just hurting yourself, even if you're already satisfied with the service. You don't go to the doctor for a checkup and then refuse bloodwork. Obviously there are rules around privacy for medical records that don't exist for interaction tracking. But I don't think the solution should be to get rid of tracking entirely, it should be to extend reasonable privacy rights and protections to our online data.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by onion2k on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:51AM (#21395194)
My understanding was that Gitlab wanted to collect your data to improve their product.

Gitlab could have collected anonymous data, with opting out of collection as the default, and promised not to sell it if they seriously believed it was about improving their product. Plenty of products record telemetry data only if you opt in to the program. Users understand and often accept that. That approach would have generated fewer headlines.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by maccam94 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @03:51AM (#21395425)
opt-in telemetry does not allow you to draw statistical conclusions because your data is skewed/incomplete due to selection bias. This is why developers are so intent on opt-out, it ensures that they have more accurate data to drive their roadmap. Clearly there are going to be privacy concerns with this, so they really need to minimize how much identifiable information they collect, and then communicate to users what will be collected, how it can be used, and who will have access to it. Gitlab seems to have jumped the gun and skipped over much of this part of the process, which sparked a justified backlash, but I don't fault them for wanting opt-out telemetry.
Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by krageon on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:42AM (#21395644)
Opt-out is not a reasonable approach to telemetry, end of story. It's perfectly understandable how problematic that is for statistics, but statistics never trumps the fact that your software should not snoop without your permission.

No amount of vague promises over how good you will be and how nice you'll treat your users' information should be enough to make this acceptable. We have a huge body of evidence informing us that trust is a fundamentally bad idea when it comes to a corporation.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by MrCapybara on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @07:47AM (#21396610)
> This is why developers are so intent on opt-out

In GitLab's case, developers weren't. Their C-level executives simply overruled them and forced the change.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by anoncake on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @03:02AM (#21395241)
> but refusing basic interaction tracking for a product you pay for is just hurting yourself,

If that were the case, Gitlab could have simply asked for permission.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by scotth on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @11:24PM (#21394433)
Were people really arguing for removal of telemetry altogether? I would think that many of us are comfortable with aspects of tracking.

For me, the concern was the value of the content. It might as well have been my bank saying they were going to start embedding disqus threads.

Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by t0astbread on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:21AM (#21395079)
Not everyone wants tracking, even if that means sacrificing software quality. Making it mandatory is never excusable.
Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by nidificate on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @10:28AM (#21398112)
It was opt-out, not mandatory.
Re:Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com by t0astbread on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @12:09PM (#21399237)
Was it? My bad. I thought I read something about GitLab planning to block access to the platform until you accepted the new ToS but maybe I was wrong.

My point still stands though.