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Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by jsight on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:19PM (#21388878)
> I think the fundamental issue Musk has is that his cars can’t drive safer than even a below average driver.

Agreed.

> Oh wow, it can stay in a lane and match speed! So can every car manufacturer. They’ve got a level 2+ system and cars won’t be safer until level 4.

I don't find this to be true at all. ProPilot is terrible compared to AutoPilot and many of the other manufacturers have the same limitations (or worse).

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by gkfasdfasdf on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:12PM (#21389523)
> ProPilot is terrible compared to AutoPilot

I second this - recently rented a fully-loaded Nissan Rouge and drove for around 700 highway miles - the lane centering feature was just awful compared to my Model 3's. It would often times give up on even slight curves, or fight me when I would try to regain control after it misjudged a curve. After a while I gave up on it and just used the automatic cruise control, which worked fairly well.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by rootusrootus on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:53PM (#21389301)
> ProPilot is terrible compared to AutoPilot

This is frightening. I strictly limit where I will let AutoPilot operate because it is not at all relaxing unless you're on the open road with light traffic. If this is the state of the art, FSD is decades away.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by jsight on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @12:55PM (#21399834)
I'm curious... which version of AutoPilot do you have?