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Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by igammarays on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:25AM (#21385330)
Still an interesting question: is 3 seconds of erroneous/unreliable behaviour per year acceptable from an autonomous vehicle?
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by glangdale on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:16AM (#21385846)
I would be interested to meet a human driver who didn't have 3 seconds of erroneous/unreliable behaviour per year.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by ghaff on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:17AM (#21385851)
Depends what's happening. If those 3 seconds consist of randomly veering into something on a highway, that would be... Not good.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by IMTDb on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:37AM (#21385637)
Even 5 minutes per year is totally acceptable. 5 minutes is 300,000 miliseconds. Split over the course of 365 days at 86400 seconds per day, we are looking at roughly 1 milisecond of erratic behaviour every 105 seconds. Not enough to crash a car
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by jfk13 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:21AM (#21385873)
Perhaps that'd be OK, if the 5 minutes per year is evenly spread across the entire year (including time the vehicle isn't even being used?!)

OTOH, if it means that the vehicle is liable to have a 25-second "blackout" in the middle of your morning commute roughly once a month, it seems very different.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by bluGill on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:51AM (#21387122)
25 second blackouts are too much. However a 1 second blackout every 5 minutes might not be a problem in most cases: you can keep going the direction you are going and other cars that are not blacked out will avoid yours while the computer recovers. Of course this depends on the blackout - if the car is still steering itself but not looking for problems (a much easier problem) it works, if the car isn't steering itself it could run into a wall.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by igammarays on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @10:58AM (#21387879)
My practical experience with system failures is that they tend to not be evenly spread out in any kind of predictable pattern. Instead they tend to be acute and concentrated at a few points.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by IMTDb on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @03:02PM (#21390831)
I agree that my assumption that failures will be evenly spread out is too optimistic. But on the other hand, if failures are concentrated on a few points, they should be that much easier to detect and correct.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by listenallyall on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:08PM (#21393052)
You literally just proved theieindjri's point. (Assuming you're a smart person) these edge cases, even if they are clustered, even if they happen repeatedly, are NOT easy to fix. Partly because there are so many of them, partly because they only arise with a specific combination of events/circumstances that are difficult to replicate, partly because navigating them safely relies on facets of the human brain that AI doesn't perform, partly because the consequences of failure are so severe. "That much easier to detect and correct" vastly underestimates the difficulty of providing safe, automated driving.