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Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by bsder on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @03:22AM (#21384836)
> How is it not obvious that FSD most likely requires artificial general intelligence

Because it doesn't. The issue is that all the self-driving car companies ignore how people actually drive.

People memorize their local driving area--it's why teenagers are so incredibly dangerous and why if you put a new stop sign into an area you cause chaos for several months. A self-driving car needs to do the same--the advantage is that a self-driving car can download that "memorization" for any new area it goes into.

Between memorized zones, people mostly "keep station"--they get onto a freeway and keep a relative position with respect to the lanes and the other cars on the road until they get back off.

When something goes very wrong, people panic and random chance takes over the fate of the vast majority of people.

None of this represents general or artificial intelligence. However, solving these tasks requires a lot of very grubby, non-scalable work over a lot of grubby data.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by ghaff on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:10AM (#21385262)
Except that when people travel away from their local area and even rent a car they're not familiar with, they don't go randomly crashing into things. They probably have to pay more conscious attention than on a daily commute. But they don't go around crashing into things.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by bsder on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @06:46PM (#21403764)
> Except that when people travel away from their local area and even rent a car they're not familiar with, they don't go randomly crashing into things.

Collision Damage Waivers and the fact that they are relatively expensive suggests the opposite.

Accidents near an airport are more than 50% of auto accidents I have had totally in my life. All of the airport accidents I was literally not moving when someone drove into me.

We vastly overestimate the competence of the average driver.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by icebraining on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:35AM (#21385375)
> The issue is that all the self-driving car companies ignore how people actually drive. People memorize their local driving area (...) A self-driving car needs to do the same

Self-driving car companies have been memorizing ("mapping") areas for years.