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Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by rmason on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:42AM (#21384494)
I agree with Musk and George Hotz that lidar is never going to get there. That's because in Michigan the terrain that lidar has mastered changes drastically every time it snows. For those of us in snowy climates limiting us to self-driving to seven months a year isn't going to cut it.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by skybrian on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:48AM (#21384512)
But this doesn't explain why self-driving cars won't succeed in Arizona. They don't need to take over the world at once, they just need to work somewhere and that would be a good start.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by KaiserPro on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:51AM (#21384741)
Lidar has no problem with snow, only when its _snowing_. However, if visibility is reduced, a pure visual approach is going to be even worse.

Musk made a mistake, and he's spending billions to prove that he never made it.

snow makes HD maps somewhat less useful, as the terrain changes shape. But then, you need a map that evolves. Sadly for musky, the only company that can do that using purely visual data is Scape Technologies. Not even lyft can do that.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by Recurecur on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:57AM (#21387195)
>Lidar has no problem with snow, only when its _snowing_. However, if visibility is reduced, a pure visual approach is going to be even worse.

Good thing Teslas have radar...which penetrates falling snow.

>Musk made a mistake, and he's spending billions to prove that he never made it.

People drive fairly well with only visual sensors (eyes). That is proof of concept. Lidar seems like overkill.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by catalogia on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:41PM (#21389146)
That radar is utterly worthless for this sort of application, it has awful angular resolution. It can't tell the difference between a building next to the street and a truck parked in the middle of the street.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by mr__y on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:28AM (#21385345)
Just because lidar is not working in certain places and certain conditions does not mean that it's always useless. It just means that an AV cannot rely [only ]on lidar. Lidar could be used as a suplementary sensor - that is providing additional sensory data when appropriate and switching to non-lidar mode when conditions require. This is one of the things where AV can have a clear advantage over [even above ]average driver: a superior sensory system
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by addictedcs on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:33AM (#21385618)
If you switch to non-lidar mode for unfavorable condition, why don't just use the non-lidar for all conditions. A system that is safe for unfavorable conditions is likely to be the system that is safe for all conditions.
Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by themaninthedark on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @11:52AM (#21388538)
Because one system might work better in one situation and the other in a different situation and you are going to encounter both situations?

Just like in cooking you can use meat cleaver and a paring knife or in a network you use switches and routers.

Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by bluGill on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:59AM (#21387212)
Because lidar allows faster travel in the modes where it works. When there is heavy rain/snow the only safe speed is very slow anyway. When roads are clear and dry I really want my car to go faster than the elderly walk (I walk faster than that normally), and lidar may be required for that mode.
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Re:Driverless cars are stuck in a jam by mike00632 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:10AM (#21384594)
GM. Ford. Chrysler.