Re:Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who...
by dodobirdlord on Saturday October 26, 2019 @06:15PM
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Doesn't seem compelling. After all, the root of the argument is about probabilities, but the argument then goes on to propose that we base our decisions on a single simulation of a result drawn from a weighted random distribution.
Re:Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who...
by throwaway69173 on Saturday October 26, 2019 @06:09PM
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These feel... dumb?
Specifically step 2 sounds like itβs skipping the important bit that people disagree with on the original problem. Again, compare hiring the cheapest hit man vs the most expensive.
Re:Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who...
by andrewflnr on Saturday October 26, 2019 @06:43PM
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You lost me at point 1. Punishment that varies randomly is unjust.
Re:Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who...
by mLuby on Saturday October 26, 2019 @07:45PM
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In other words, this function should be deterministic?
(crime, mitigating_aggravating_factors) => punishment
I too would like to believe that's true, though I doubt it is.
Re:Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who...
by andrewflnr on Saturday October 26, 2019 @11:36PM
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It's what we should aim for. We definitely shouldn't predicate moral arguments on deliberate plans for non-deterministic punishment.
1. Imagine a system where the punishment for murder is exactly the same as the punishment for attempted murder, but that punishment has an element of chance: you might get a longer or a shorter sentence.
This doesn't seem particularly unreasonable. Now we're going to make successive modifications to the system, which (Lewis claims) don't obviously make it worse.
2. Now suppose that we attempt to make the punishment for more wholehearted attempts at murder greater. It's hard to tell what was in the criminal's heart, so as a reasonable proxy we try to evaluate, somehow, how likely the murder attempt was to succceed, and we punish more-likely-to-succeed attempts more harshly.
3. Now suppose, more specifically, that the way in which we punish more-likely-to-succeed attempts more harshly is by increasing the probability of getting the longer sentence. In fact, we'll say that the probability of getting the longer sentence is to be the same as our estimate of how likely the attempt at murder was to succeed.
4. How to estimate that probability? One effective but obviously impractical way would be to run some sort of reenactment or simulation of the crime, and give the longer sentence if and only if the victim dies. Aha! But we can simplify and improve this by using the original crime as the reenactment, and give the longer sentence if and only if the actual victim died.
And now we've arrived at pretty much our present practice!