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Re:Electron 7.0 by saagarjha on Thursday October 24, 2019 @04:26PM (#21348794)
> It's a bit silly every application would follow the same guidelines as applications are intended to do different things. Platform UX/UI conventions place too strict limitations on innovation.

They really don’t. Have you taken a look at the thriving ecosystem of native, powerful macOS apps that follow platform conventions?

Re:Electron 7.0 by jcelerier on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:05PM (#21349155)
Most apps that I know people use in MacOS are really not native-controls based - Ableton Live, Max/MSP, VDMX, Resolume, Mathematica, JetBrains IDEs, VSCode, Sublime Text...
Re:Electron 7.0 by pfranz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:31PM (#21349410)
I'm pretty sure the parent was talking about macOS exclusive apps. The ones I recognize there are all multi-platform, which have always had the problem of keeping their own conventions between platform or adopting the platforms--most chose to keep their app consistent platform-to-platform.

I also think "professional" apps are a special case (which is a totally subjective classification). Even Apple and Microsoft have done their own thing for professional apps since forever. If I'm going to use that app for 8hrs every day, I'm more accepting of learning something new. I'm still more likely going to pick up an app if it follows existing conventions...I already chose my OS because I've learned and like those conventions.

Re:Electron 7.0 by saagarjha on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:39PM (#21349477)
There are a couple that are cross platform and still native, such as Microsoft Office and the Affinity suite.
Re:Electron 7.0 by dwaite on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:50PM (#21350731)
Microsoft Office has gotten way better over the years. They used to design the UX around the idea of "Office Users", not "Mac Users"
Re:Electron 7.0 by jimnotgym on Friday October 25, 2019 @04:50AM (#21353066)
This is very frustrating when supporting a mixed team of Mac and PC users on office. I would prefer it to be the same everywhere.
Re:Electron 7.0 by pfranz on Friday October 25, 2019 @01:36PM (#21357318)
And that's the problem. I imagine those Mac users chose it because they like the OS' conventions. Photoshop seems to have gone the other way from using OS conventions to doing their own thing the same on each platform. iTunes, which didn't always follow macOS conventions, did port everything to Windows.
Re:Electron 7.0 by DonHopkins on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:20PM (#21350526)
You might have a point there, if at any time in their sordid history Apple actually followed any of their own UX/UI conventions in their flagship apps.

http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/qtime.htm

Re:Electron 7.0 by dwaite on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:49PM (#21350725)
That example was 20 years ago, and Apple specifically discarded the skeuomorphic focus which that resulted from around six years ago (partly in concert with retina displays).

Do you have a more modern example?

Re:Electron 7.0 by killface on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:08PM (#21349700)
My mac's primary purpose is to run bash, firefox, intellij, and docker. they've all got their own UI, and I don't feel wanting for power.
Re:Electron 7.0 by saagarjha on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:24PM (#21349815)
That’s not the assertion I was refuting, which claimed that Apple’s platform conventions restricted the power of apps.