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Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by ysavir on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:59AM (#21335290)
Yes, but the question is how to achieve portability without infringing on others' privacy rights.

If I'm on facebook and want to export all my comments, that would require exporting all the status updates of the people who's posts I've commented on, which then also includes those contacts, too.

There's no such thing as exporting a single node in a network, you need the entire network.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:09AM (#21335403)
> If I'm on facebook and want to export all my comments, that would require exporting all the status updates of the people who's posts I've commented on

The bill [1] is ambiguous on the definition of user data (§ 2(9)). There is latitude with this definition, from rich portability (as you describe) to bare-bones portability (simply metadata, e.g. X commented on Y's post on such and such data).

> There's no such thing as exporting a single node in a network, you need the entire network

Graphs are divisible. My export need not contain every user in Kazakhstan's data.

[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/431507473/GOE19968

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by scarface74 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:20AM (#21335525)
The bill [1] is currently ambiguous....

A bill written by a bunch of clueless lawmakers to legislate technology - there couldn’t possibly be any unintended consequences.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:21AM (#21335539)
> A bill written by a bunch of clueless lawmakers to legislate technology

This has been Silicon Valley's party line for why we can't be regulated by governments, and should instead be left to self regulate. While I agree with that for start-ups, it's patently failed with Big Tech.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by scarface74 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:46AM (#21335809)
And look at what happened when California tried to regulate Uber to force them to treat drivers as employees.

Now freelancers in other industries who don’t want to be employees are having to jump through hoops.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:17PM (#21336116)
> look at what happened when California tried to regulate Uber to force them to treat drivers as employees

I agree, it's a mess. But the solution isn't to bar all regulation ex ante as illegitimate.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by ysavir on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:03PM (#21336592)
No one is saying we should bar all regulation. But we do need to be careful, and _very_ knowledgeable and intentful, when we pass legislation in this field.
Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by kickscondor on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:08AM (#21335389)
You certainly can export a single node - just depends on your expectations. For example, the Indieweb has already done this in a way that I find acceptable. My blog (kickscondor.com) syndicates all the comments to every post (including deeply nested ones.) And it also captures a copy of all posts that I respond to (all the way up the chain going backwards.) This is sufficient for me. No need to export anything - it's already there in my own storage. You could also say that you'd need a snapshot of the entire Internet to provide context - but that's Just unreasonable.

I think the a Web itself already has had a 'network effect' larger than that of Facebook or any individual subnetwork.

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by ysavir on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:11AM (#21335423)
> My blog (kickscondor.com) syndicates all the comments to every post

What does this mean?

Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by kickscondor on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:29AM (#21335627)
When someone wants to comment, they post - not on my blog - but on their blog. If their blog supports Webmentions, my blog will get notified and I will 'syndicate' their comment - a copy will get placed on my blog. This way everyone in the conversation had copies of the entire conversation in case one blog goes down. (Does that clear it up at all?)
Re:U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take ... by ysavir on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:09PM (#21336639)
It does, and that is _one_ way in which to export a single node--assuming we're all using this Indieweb blog software. But I have heavy doubts that such software will become the norm, or that it will be the expectation of whatever data schema this bill ends up supporting.

I appreciate the theory of your approach and how it can be used, and while it does directly respond to the immediate statement I made, I don't think it realistically captures how my statement applies to the broader context, when and if this law becomes implemented.