Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by root_axis on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:46PM (#21337570)

Claiming that the investigations yielded nothing is frustratingly dishonest. The conclusion of the Mueller report was that the president would have been indicted if it weren't for a standing policy that the president cannot be indicted.

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:26PM (#21339732)

Mueller clarified in his final hearing that he misspoke when answering Lieu's earlier question and stated that the OLC policy you describe was not a deciding factor. Video is embedded in the below PBS link.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-mueller-clarifie...

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jonhohle on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:56PM (#21338925)

I believe you are mistaken based on Mueller's own statements[0]:

    > … Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as
    > to whether the president committed a crime."
    > 
    > That statement was more in line with his report, and
    > with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary 
    > Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department
    > policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would
    > not make a determination as to whether the President
    > committed a crime. That was our decision then and it
    > remains our decision today."

Any suggestion that the Mueller report asserts that crimes were committed by the president, to my best interpretation, are false. The report does not include any suggestion to indict the president and was never a consideration of the investigation due to the policy you referenced. These claims are repeated incessantly, however, which makes them easy to believe.

0 - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/did-mueller-me...

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jonhohle on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:04PM (#21340684)

To anyone who disagrees with this, is there any inaccuracy above? I was trying to make a factual observation and included a source.

Does anyone have a reference to support the "conclusion of the Mueller report was that the president would have been indicted if it weren't for a standing policy that the president cannot be indicted"?

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:50PM (#21337614)

Three years of investigation and nothing

But enough about Hillary, am I right?

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:04PM (#21335979)

Three years of investigation and multiple prison sentences and impeachment hearings. If that's nothing, I'd like to know what your idea of "something" would be.

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by rapind on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:35PM (#21337449)

Not sure I would call it "nothing". If Trump could have been indicted (OLC opinion to blame here), it's likely he would have been for obstruction of justice. https://youtu.be/1G9cB4vk7Go?t=31

Also keep in mind how many associates have been indicted. Is it possible that they acted alone without direction or influence from Trump? Sure. Plausible? Not to me.

Also, a nitpick, but I'm pretty sure it was 2 years not 3 years.

I'm not a fan of either parties establishment members, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the obvious.

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:38PM (#21339811)

Mueller clarified in his final hearing that he misspoke when answering Lieu's earlier question and stated that the OLC policy you describe was not a deciding factor. Video is embedded in the below PBS link.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-mueller-clarifie...

Regarding indictments -- staff indictments were for unrelated crimes, and the indicted foreign entities were found to be unconnected to the campaign. The legal system cares about deductive logic, not inductive.

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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by rapind on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @07:46PM (#21340232)

Interesting, I wasn't aware he corrected himself. Just to be clear though, what he said in the video you linked was slightly different than you describe, and nuance matters.

The specific section is here: https://youtu.be/mk4KR02iF5M?t=280

Mueller: "That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said in the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

Fair enough. He doesn't mention whether it was a deciding factor unless I'm missing some earlier quote? The OLC opinion (assuming he abided by it, which seems to be the case) means he has no business even making a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. It's very frustrating that the OLC opinion prevents us from really learning more, but I'll grant you we have to live with it, and shouldn't legally assume any more than what was presented.

We'll see what history decides. I'm pretty sure he's a crook, but I'm pretty sure OJ is guilty too. Hope I'm wrong.

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