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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by Mirioron on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:58AM (#21335276)
>_openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia

Are you referring to the email hacking thing? Because that's a bad joke at the worst.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by sucrose on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:33AM (#21335669)
(Off-topic) Does anyone know why `[flagged]` posts are censored instead of hidden? I often have to use web archives to view them.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by gizmo686 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:59AM (#21335940)
In your profile settings, enable show-dead.
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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by root_axis on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:46PM (#21337570)
Claiming that the investigations yielded nothing is frustratingly dishonest. The conclusion of the Mueller report was that the president would have been indicted if it weren't for a standing policy that the president cannot be indicted.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:26PM (#21339732)
Mueller clarified in his final hearing that he misspoke when answering Lieu's earlier question and stated that the OLC policy you describe was not a deciding factor. Video is embedded in the below PBS link.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-mueller-clarifie...

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jonhohle on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:56PM (#21338925)
I believe you are mistaken based on Mueller's own statements[0]:

    > … Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as
    > to whether the president committed a crime."
    > 
    > That statement was more in line with his report, and
    > with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary 
    > Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department
    > policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would
    > not make a determination as to whether the President
    > committed a crime. That was our decision then and it
    > remains our decision today."
Any suggestion that the Mueller report asserts that crimes were committed by the president, to my best interpretation, are false. The report does not include any suggestion to indict the president and was never a consideration of the investigation due to the policy you referenced. These claims are repeated incessantly, however, which makes them easy to believe.

0 - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/did-mueller-me...

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jonhohle on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:04PM (#21340684)
To anyone who disagrees with this, is there any inaccuracy above? I was trying to make a factual observation and included a source.

Does anyone have a reference to support the "conclusion of the Mueller report was that the president would have been indicted if it weren't for a standing policy that the president cannot be indicted"?

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:50PM (#21337614)
Three years of investigation and nothing

But enough about Hillary, am I right?

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:04PM (#21335979)
Three years of investigation and multiple prison sentences and impeachment hearings. If that's nothing, I'd like to know what your idea of "something" would be.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by rapind on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:35PM (#21337449)
Not sure I would call it "nothing". If Trump could have been indicted (OLC opinion to blame here), it's likely he would have been for obstruction of justice. https://youtu.be/1G9cB4vk7Go?t=31

Also keep in mind how many associates have been indicted. Is it possible that they acted alone without direction or influence from Trump? Sure. Plausible? Not to me.

Also, a nitpick, but I'm pretty sure it was 2 years not 3 years.

I'm not a fan of either parties establishment members, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the obvious.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by drak0n1c on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:38PM (#21339811)
Mueller clarified in his final hearing that he misspoke when answering Lieu's earlier question and stated that the OLC policy you describe was not a deciding factor. Video is embedded in the below PBS link.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-mueller-clarifie...

Regarding indictments -- staff indictments were for unrelated crimes, and the indicted foreign entities were found to be unconnected to the campaign. The legal system cares about deductive logic, not inductive.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by rapind on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @07:46PM (#21340232)
Interesting, I wasn't aware he corrected himself. Just to be clear though, what he said in the video you linked was slightly different than you describe, and nuance matters.

The specific section is here: https://youtu.be/mk4KR02iF5M?t=280

Mueller: "That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said in the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

Fair enough. He doesn't mention whether it was a deciding factor unless I'm missing some earlier quote? The OLC opinion (assuming he abided by it, which seems to be the case) means he has no business even making a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. It's very frustrating that the OLC opinion prevents us from really learning more, but I'll grant you we have to live with it, and shouldn't legally assume any more than what was presented.

We'll see what history decides. I'm pretty sure he's a crook, but I'm pretty sure OJ is guilty too. Hope I'm wrong.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by 0x445442 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:23AM (#21334902)
You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by duxup on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:42AM (#21335105)
> there is no "news" anymore

Yes there is, and there are facts and truth.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by jessaustin on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @03:24PM (#21337936)
"It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS." -- Leslie Moonves

News is what it is. Facts and truth may be found but not by turning on the TV. Journalists working by themselves and for themselves still exist. We have to seek them out; they don't get any airtime with billion dollar media conglomerates.

NBC News employs a Bush daughter, and previously employed a Clinton daughter in one of those no-show jobs that the mafia loves. A McCain daughter is at ABC news, but they make her appear on "The View" so that may not be such a great deal. The Vanderbilt scion figurehead at CNN is a former CIA recruit. ("Mr. Cooper, we feel your talents would be more suited to a slightly different role with our agency.") When retired admirals and generals appear on the shows as respected experts, their management roles and board membership at armaments manufacturers is not disclosed.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by asdfman123 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:03PM (#21336596)
Everything is a narrative. The problem in this day and age is we can't agree on compatible narratives. There are truths, but there is no objective political truth.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by crispyambulance on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:51AM (#21335194)
> ...there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain.

"News" isn't a product you can just take out of the box and use. "Some assembly is required" and that's what citizens are expected to do (unless they're graduates of Trump "University", I guess).

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by mr_overalls on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:41AM (#21335094)
There is a big difference between 1) admitting difficulty in discerning a more-or-less truthful version of events, and 2) simply throwing up your hands at the idea of objective truth.

And why, if all "news" is simply fact-free narrative, have you chosen to believe the the Trumpian narrative? Do you believe that all news that casts a negative light on POTUS is simply fabricated?