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Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by alistairSH on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:56AM (#21334099)
Ugh. We get the same thing here in suburban DC (not the earthquakes but the outright hostility towards any changes in road infrastructure that don't involve adding lanes).

The main street in front of my neighborhood was recently repaved end-to-end (3 miles or so). Prior to that, it was 2 lanes in each direction, with a few left turn lanes. As part of the repave, they wanted to add a semi-protected bike lane (by removing one car lane in each direction). The outcry was ridiculous. This isn't a major thoroughfare, it's a moderately travelled neighborhood road. There's a small shopping center at one end and a school complex in the middle.

Long-story-short, the government add the bike lanes. EXCEPT for in front of the schools and shopping center. So, it's half mile of 4-lane cars, then 1 mile 2 cars/2 bike, then at the school it's back to 4-car for half mile, then back to 2 car/2 bike for the remainder.

And now all the non-cyclists cry "Look! Nobody uses the bike lanes!" Well, of course not. They're completely fucking useless because they come and go almost at random and don't lead anywhere.

It's infuriating.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by magduf on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:54PM (#21336504)
I live in suburban DC too; this place is terrible for cycling. I pretty much only ride on the trails (usually W&OD, also Custis and Mt. Vernon) because they're safe.
Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by alistairSH on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:27PM (#21336813)
Luckily, I'm far enough out (Reston) that I can hop on the W&OD to Leesburg and then bail onto slightly more rural roads. Reston itself is ok, despite the silliness with inconsistent bike lanes and sidewalks. Just have to avoid the major roads.
Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by magduf on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:32PM (#21336862)
Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by alistairSH on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:42PM (#21337519)
I'm not convinced there's not more to that story. There was a massive organized bike ride that day, so hundreds of people passing along that stretch of trail when the mugging occurred.

Crime happens on the trail, no question. But it also happens in parking lots and at the local 7-11 and many other places.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by magduf on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:08PM (#21338429)
>Crime happens on the trail, no question.

Really? This was the first I had heard of it since moving to the area last year, and it has me a little worried. I thought NoVA was supposed to be one of the wealthiest places in the US.

Of course, I think it's pertinent to note that people in other countries don't have to worry much about armed robbery while cycling, since people in those countries don't have so many guns like Americans do.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by alistairSH on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:27PM (#21338615)
Fairfax County (and DC metro in general) is wealthy. But, it's also very mixed, just like most large suburban or urban areas. Look at the federally subsidized lunch numbers - despite an average household income well into 6-figures, it's not uncommon for a school to have 20-30% of the students receiving free lunches.

Very little of the crime on the W&OD is "bike specific" - it's just "normal" stuff that happens all over. I'm more concerned about getting run over by a road-raging douchebag in an SUV on my way to the trail than mugged while I'm on the trail. Honestly, I'd be more concerned walking back to my car at the mall than riding down the W&OD.

I've lived in the area most of my life. I can't think of any areas I'd actively avoid during the day. Well, except Tysons Corner, but that's not because of the crime, I just hate the place.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by watt3rpig on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:52PM (#21339429)
Yup cycling is so dumb here. I bike 20 miles a day on the weekend but don’t commute by bike because of how bad the infrastructure is.