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Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by bluedino on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:52AM (#21324262)
>> We have absolutely no incentive to work hard when doing so doesn't materially affect income.

Pride? Character? Respect from colleagues?

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by wayoutthere on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:00AM (#21324360)
At some point, those words start to take on a different meaning. "Pride" is something selfish that gets you in trouble, "character" is just what someone tells you when they need something for free, and respect of others is gained by being a good human being rather than a hard worker.

Sometime in your mid-30s you stop caring what "everyone else" thinks and work to build a life that makes you happy. For many of us, it's going through the motions at work and spending our real energy on friends and family. I actually feel bad for my colleagues who put in maximum effort and stay late every day.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by bcrosby95 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:01AM (#21324371)
These ideas are mostly pressure exerted by companies to "do as I say, not as I do". Most companies don't care about this stuff beyond what will make them some extra bucks. It's not personal, it's business.

I'm not sure how the world got so fucked up where we expect people making poor wages to behave "better" than multi billion dollar businesses.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by SkyBelow on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:58AM (#21324330)
>Respect from colleagues?

The person making everyone else look bad and who is receiving no incentives for doing so likely isn't getting the sort of respect you are envisioning.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by cryoshon on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:54AM (#21324289)
pride, character, and respect from colleagues are things that don't pay the bills, even though they're nice to have.

i know this is sounds like a snarky and low-effort response, but it is not intentional. it's just the way things are, and there isn't really a diplomatic way of saying it.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by ThrowawayR2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:11AM (#21324509)
> "pride, character, and respect from colleagues are things that don't pay the bill"

I can name several dozen colleagues I've worked for over the years who will vouch for me and help me get a job if I should ever need it and that does pay the bills.

People who say things like the above quote, can't.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by flmontpetit on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:59AM (#21325199)
To be honest you don't need to work very hard to achieve this.
Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by cryoshon on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:17PM (#21325433)
what if you met those colleagues at a relatively low-wage job, and neither you nor anyone else who will vouch for you has advanced very far beyond that low wage level?

sure, they can get you a job, but it will be a horizontal move for you if you are currently employed, and certainly no step up from your prior employment if you're suddenly unemployed.

consider that for many young people outside of the software and finance worlds, this is precisely the situation. all the good reputation in the world doesn't much matter if it doesn't get you any further than where you are.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by AstralStorm on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:24AM (#21333821)
Presuming you want or need to get ahead - and you should carefully examine the reasons why you do. There is usually a cost to getting up.

Horizontal moves are acceptable and sometimes even optimal.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by vearwhershuh on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:14PM (#21325385)
> Pride? Character? Respect from colleagues?

“We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise.

We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.

We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.”

-CS Lewis

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by Killes on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:22AM (#21324652)
That's a trick, doormat. Work to live, not live to work. Just think of the C level shit eating grins when you struggle financially, holding on tight to your pride...jeez
Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by saiya-jin on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:19AM (#21324615)
If we talk about usual corporate jobs, this is a joke, right?

If you want those, excel as moral human being overall and you will receive plenty. Being the best paper-pusher, bullshitter or excel in office politics won't give you any of those.

Re:Think young people are hostile to capitalism now? Wait fo... by taco_emoji on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:01AM (#21324368)
These things only matter once basic monetary needs are met.