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Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by dang on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @02:13PM (#21326885)
Religious flamewar is not ok and we ban accounts that do it. Please do not post flamebait to HN.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21323683 and marked it off-topic.

Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by notac on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:21AM (#21324644)
You know, it wasn’t so long ago that “take the high road” was the common mantra. Turns out, even if you disagree with people or think they’re wrong, you can still behave with decorum. It makes everything more pleasant.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by serioussecurity on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:30AM (#21324775)
Does that hold when they're actively working to harm you and yours?
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by notac on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:56AM (#21325154)
It’s about approach. Most of the time people aren’t actually trying to harm you. Coming into every disagreement with a “you’re the enemy” viewpoint is a sure way to make sure there’s no such thing as civil discourse. Despite popular belief, blanket outrage actually fixes very little.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by driverdan on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:17PM (#21326183)
The only reason I replied and used the word bigot was because of the use in the original comment. Perhaps they should have "taken the high road" by not implying those who oppose Hobby Lobby's owners are bigots.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by weberc2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @02:56PM (#21327295)
The parent observed that “Bigots oppose hobby lobby”, not that everyone who opposes hobby lobby is a bigot. You levied the unsubstantiated accusation that the hobby lobby founders are bigots. These things are not the same.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by driverdan on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:20PM (#21326226)
To add to my comment, I know this is walking a fine line and I understand if the mods delete it.

My point was that the Hobby Lobby owners have their own bias against non-Christians and implying that those who oppose them are bigots is wrong.

Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by nkurz on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:56PM (#21326690)
It's not a "fine line": it's unnecessarily offensive. Your overall point is fine, but the wording is not. Even if it's eventually delated, comments like this tear down the community that lots of us care about. Excuses that you are only doing harm because someone else caused harm first don't reduce the damage. Please continue to share your opinion, but start with the less offensive version.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by weberc2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @02:57PM (#21327305)
Of course, that’s not what the parent implied, as I demonstrate in the sibling thread.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by showdeadplease on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:54AM (#21325122)
Hey, dang, where are you, man? Gonna ban this guy for "ideological flamewar"?

Nah, this Dan is a founder, a YC alum with 11,000 karma points. He can say whatever he wants. At worst, he'd get a "Well, yeah, you're right, they are religious bigots, but please be more subtle about it." But he won't even get that, because no HN user with >=500 karma's going to flag his comment.

Of course, weberc2's comment is downvoted.

Nah, HN isn't biased to the left at all, dang. After all, people on both sides complain, therefore it must be perfectly balanced, right?

Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by dang on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @02:15PM (#21326899)
I replied to that comment as soon as I saw it, which was before I saw your comment here. Also, plenty of users flagged it—it plainly breaks the site guidelines.

Anyone worried about how we moderate this sort of thing is welcome to look through https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by showdeadplease on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @07:21AM (#21333420)
I'm glad to be proven wrong this time.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by weberc2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:18AM (#21324602)
Is there anything to substantiate this, or is this a generic "Christian therefore bigot" slur?
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by ljf on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:12PM (#21325363)
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by weberc2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:21PM (#21325483)
Does that article (and publication) strike you as trustworthy? Does it appear that the author and publication aspire to present a balanced perspective? Would you be persuaded if I linked to a Fox News (or similar) article on the issue?
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by cr0sh on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:50PM (#21325843)
You are aware that there are more articles on this topic than that singular one presented, right? This whole issue was discussed almost to literal death on various discussion boards years ago. An objective view of this issue doesn't paint HL in a good light, imho.
Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by weberc2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:15PM (#21326147)
> You are aware that there are more articles on this topic than that singular one presented, right?

Yes, I'm sure there are lots of articles, many of which are slanted to support one agenda or another and maybe a few that aspire to present a balanced viewpoint. I'm not sure what your point you're making.

> An objective view of this issue doesn't paint HL in a good light, imho.

Probably not, but it doesn't support the "hateful bigots" accusation. "Greedy capitalists disingenuously hiding behind religious rights" at worst.

Re:Oxford Professor Is Accused of Selling Ancient Texts by ljf on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @03:35PM (#21327697)
https://time.com/2941323/supreme-court-contraception-ruling-...

It was pretty well reported - I posted the first link I found assuming that you hadn't heard of the case.