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Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by markus_zhang on Monday October 21, 2019 @02:50PM (#21315832)
The point is NOT to mess up the end points (univ entry) so we force some kind of diversity. What we should do is to diversify educational resources. The endpoints, if I may argue, are actually NOT that meritocratic, because powerful people can buy entrances. Univ entry should ONLY be hard GPA, or at least 80% hard GPA, not brownie points like voluntary work that only rich kids have the leisure to do. And then you spread good educational resources around evenly.
Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by Konnstann on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:02PM (#21315953)
The problem with GPA is that the number differs based on school. GPA inflation isn't constant across schools, and how they are weighted is unknown to colleges. Even then, rich people with time to do volunteer work probably have more time to study and do schoolwork as well, giving them a better GPA.
Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by cascom on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:32PM (#21316264)
"hard GPA" assumes uniformity of high school academic programs.I watched numerous kids in college that came from elite prep-schools who had 3.0-3.5 GPAs in high school do less work than they did in high school and get better grades, while watching former high school valedictorians with perfect grades grind it out in the library and struggle to get B's...
Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by codingslave on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:18PM (#21316115)
This is so far off from how reality works. School systems in China and India do this, neither country is known for amazing education, though they have their standouts (iit, tshingua). Prestigious universities have long known that the success of their students in the real world is not solely about GPA, because GPA and other measures are measures of memory, not personal excellence in other pursuits or life in general. True critical thought extends beyond GPA. Reducing the education system to a memory based contest is completely antithetical to western thought and what has made the west so prosperous. My biggest grievance is that tech companies have implemented eastern systems of education/verification in their hiring via memory based algorithms problems.
Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by yorwba on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:53PM (#21316519)
> School systems in China and India do this, neither country is known for amazing education,

The Chinese (and, I guess, Indian) education system isn't bad because they use performance on a test to assign students to universities. They're bad because they lack the resources to provide a top-notch education to everyone, so only the best students get to enjoy one. At the best Chinese universities, professors with a diverse international background give their students plenty of nuts to crack by doing some thinking on their own, and having some basic facts memorized seems to be more helpful than harmful for that. At the worst Chinese universities, the professors themselves may be unable to do better than just regurgitating the textbook. I expect overall quality to slowly rise over the coming decades as an increasing number of well-educated graduates become educators themselves.

Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by TeMPOraL on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:47PM (#21316454)
Voluntary work and sports have even less to do with academic or work success. I'm not sure American universities are the best model either.
Re:Meritocracy harms everyone, even the winners by AstralStorm on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:41AM (#21323470)
Admission exams tied to expected educational profile work better, but because they are not standardized among universities, they have been destroyed.

They don't test merit either (perhaps some students would do better after a remedial programme) and are still prone to corruption.