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Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by xwdv on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:41AM (#21311578)
People don’t click the link because they already know better.

We are bathed in radiation everyday.

So guess what, the people who say 5G is unsafe, are also the same people that will say flying is unsafe, or using a microwave is unsafe, or eating a banana is unsafe, or being in your car is unsafe, or using your phone is unsafe. Because all these things emit radiation.

Do people care about that though? No. The effects of radiation are grossly exaggerated, and frankly any negligible effects we feel are just the price we pay for living in high tech times. I doubt anyone wants to go back to a tech free lifestyle just so they can live maybe a few more years only to die of something else anyway.

So yes, it’s quackery to say 5G is unsafe and the only reason an article like this would rise to the top is so people could come out and trash it. You want to see scientific comments then go to more interesting articles.

Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by arpa on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:46AM (#21311619)
You conflated ionising and non-ionising radiation (flying/banana/chest x-ray vs. radio waves, wifi, light from lightbulbs).

Just so you know.

Your point still stands though, although i would say we're bathed in more intense radiation than 5G and have been bathing in it for millenias - sunlight is radiation as well!

Better live underground, i guess.

Oh, oh, but what about skin cancer you say? That's caused by sunlight, right, so radiowaves could harm you, right? Yeah, but skin cancer is caused by ultraviolet, high energy, high frequency EM radiation (3-30PHz). Petahertz, Coral! That's several orders of magnitude less than most extreme 5G!

Don't even get me started on the power levels of sun vs a base station!

So yeah, the claims of health impact are bullshit.

Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by dekhn on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:41AM (#21312114)
Other points: while excessive radiation is bad, below a certain point it is not harmful, and in fact is beneficial. There's some good reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_no-threshold_model Most scientists today would say that below a threshold, there is no negative effect to radiation (or rather, you can't predict the effect in a stochastic way as a function of dose) and also that within certain regimes, radiation is beneficial (mutations leading to evolution).
Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by DoctorOetker on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:06PM (#21317999)
> Most scientists today would say that below a threshold, there is no negative effect to radiation

Every time I was enticed to look up more about hormesis, I see the same issue: an intrinsically linear effect of a factor is studied, with a precise linear generator of the factor, but outside of the generator there is a background component to the factor which is ignored, which causes a misinterpretation of non-linearity.

A concrete example, suppose you have a light sensor in a "dark" enclosure, then at large enough intensities the current through the photodiode is linear with the incident illumination, but if there is some light leaking (or alternatively thermal radiation, and hence temperature, and hence dark current) then as the light generator is set to lower and lower levels, the light sensor will no longer linearly approach 0, since the signal starts to delve below the noise floor (so it will allways be measurable, but require more and more oversampling to decrease the noise floor). To confuse this effect which has nothing to do with photons getting converted to electron hole pairs, it is a misinterpretation to consider the effect "non-linear" close to the noise floor, and an even bigger misinterpretation to consider it "beneficial". Sure even high levels of ionizing radiation can be beneficial to the offspring of a colony of bacteria, fungi, or plants as a group, but it most certainly is harmful to the the individual bacteria, fungi or plants individually.

In the case of the light sensor, the current through the reverse biased photodiode will still be ideally linear with the total incident illumination, just no longer linear with the illumination of the non-dominant light source.

Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by manmal on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:07PM (#21316685)
This effect is called hormesis - _some_ stress can be beneficial to health.
Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by magduf on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:52AM (#21312917)
Humans kinda need sunlight to generate enough vitamin D. So if you live in a cave, that's not going to be good for you either. But sunlight causes cancer too, so what should you do?

I think it should be pretty obvious that we can't avoid radiation, and we were evolved to handle a certain amount of it.

Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by arpa on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:10AM (#21313168)
Live in a cave and consume copious amounts of fish (oil)! Die of something other than cancer.
Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by ladzoppelin on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:44PM (#21318380)
Really, complete bullshit for 100% of the population no questions asked? With all the wrong information Science has helped spread when it comes to Diet (example: eating fat makes you fat) is it really fair to say a study that says we need more studies is automatically bullshit?
Re:“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe” by arpa on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:32AM (#21320628)
Really, complete bullshit, just like "vaccines cause autism" or "MSG causes chinese restaurant syndrome". Do we need more studies to again disprove what already has been disproven? Bad bullshit science exists and "we need more studies" is its lifeline that keeps the gullible populace feeding it.

Oh and also. To make a scientific claim, you have to make a hypothesis. Not just a claim "5G causes cancer", but "5G causes cancer by this and this method". Without method of action best you can do is a corelational study, which is jus one step higher a case study, which is basically an anecdote.