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Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by keanebean86 on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:17PM (#21295153)
I remember hearing the idea years ago that reasonable security needs these 3 somethings: 1. you know - password 2. you have - device/usb/etc 3. you are - bio-metrics

Is this still a thing? It sounds decent to me. Most auth usually uses 1 or 2 from the list but rarely all 3.

Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by inetknght on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:42PM (#21295321)
https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/Multi_Factor-Authenticat...

> MFA

> Definition(s):

> Authentication using two or more different factors to achieve authentication. Factors include: (i) something you know (e.g., password/PIN); (ii) something you have (e.g., cryptographic identification device, token); or (iii) something you are (e.g., biometric). See Authenticator.

> Source(s):

> NIST SP 800-53 Rev. 4 under Multifactor Authentication

Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by dllthomas on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:38PM (#21295292)
Something you forgot, something you lost, something you were.
Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by cogman10 on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:32PM (#21295257)
bio-metrics is really just not a good security measure, it is an extension of number 2 (You have fingerprints, your face, etc).

You'd be in just about the same place if instead of saying "you need biometrics" you said "You need 2 devices".

Even number 2 can be done wrong. 2 Doesn't work if the thing you have is a knowledge based thing. 2 only works if in the case that it responds correctly to a stimulus. Think things like RSA.

Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by dwaite on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:51PM (#21295366)
Biometrics are not an extension of #2.

You really are categorizing authentication factors by their weaknesses:

- Knowledge factors can be discovered/guessed and duplicated

- Possession factors should protect against guessing and duplication, but can be physically stolen

- Inherence factors should protect against guessing, duplication and physical theft, but cannot be replaced

Writing down a password doesn't make it an effective physical factor, just like embedding an NFC chip in your arm doesn't make it an effective biometric.

Re:The Pixel 4’s face unlock works on sleeping people by throwaheyy on Friday October 18, 2019 @06:01PM (#21295406)
Face print and fingerprint are definitely #2, something you have. Both can be easily copied. #3 would be your DNA sequence perhaps.

Similarly, SMS authentication is not #2. The mapping of your phone number to your phone is not something you possess, it is sitting in some phone company system somewhere and it can be changed.