Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by maxharris on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:52PM
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This is just Micro Focus astroturfing! They don't have a business in a world where banks and government agencies have written their software in a modern language.
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by mindcrime on Friday October 18, 2019 @11:08AM
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Oh please... Yes, Micro-Focus is mentioned, and for all I know a Micro-Focus employee might have written the piece. But they're only mentioned in passing, and the bulk of the article is a solid coverage of the history of COBOL, which is interesting in its own right. If MF get a little extra attention as a result of people reading this, I - for one - am not going to begrudge them that.
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by tyingq on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:47PM
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Something of a shallow look into why it's still around. Part of it is that it's not just COBOL, but the ecosystem around it that makes it harder to port. Porting over a COBOL program from MVS, OS/400, MPE, etc, also requires porting over the surrounding stuff. Job schedulers, record (vs stream) based files, monitoring, print formats, character encodings, 3270 screen formats, and so on.
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by zamalek on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:05AM
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It also requires porting something quite intangible over, too. In the days that COBOL was relevant, we took a very long time to write software, and we did a mostly competent job at it.
These days, even if we were using COBOL, we probably wouldn't have as robust and reliable results.
"Move fast and break things" honestly has me sold, unless it's my bank account. Many of the people who know COBOL move slow and don't do halfjobs.
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by xivzgrev on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:22AM
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Zdnet writer: “why is COBOL still around?”
Cobol vendor: “well let me tell you how widely it’s still used”
Zdnet writer: “k thx.” sends to editor
It would’ve been way more interesting to get even one customer perspective, say from a bank. Why do they still use COBOL? (Answer: it powers critical infrastructure, it’s risky as hell to migrate, and the benefit isn’t worth the cost right now vs investing elsewhere)
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by bdrhoa on Friday October 18, 2019 @07:55AM
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It's COBOL, not Cobol. And I keep my COBOL textbook to ensure that I never have to work in COBOL again. I'm certain that as soon as let that textbook, I'll end up needing it.
Re:COBOL turns 60: why it will outlive us all
by mindcrime on Friday October 18, 2019 @11:09AM
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I originally wrote the headline as COBOL, but HN has some sort of "auto headline munger" that munged it to Cobol. I see it's subsequently been set back to COBOL, presumably by one of the mods.
Here's a comment I made a month ago about another thinly-veiled Micro Focus press release: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20987206
It’s cheaper to pay for training so new hires can write obsolete languages on IBM’s last innovative release (the AS400).
These days, even if we were using COBOL, we probably wouldn't have as robust and reliable results.
"Move fast and break things" honestly has me sold, unless it's my bank account. Many of the people who know COBOL move slow and don't do halfjobs.
Cobol vendor: “well let me tell you how widely it’s still used”
Zdnet writer: “k thx.” sends to editor
It would’ve been way more interesting to get even one customer perspective, say from a bank. Why do they still use COBOL? (Answer: it powers critical infrastructure, it’s risky as hell to migrate, and the benefit isn’t worth the cost right now vs investing elsewhere)