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Re:California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:36PM (#21278439)
Here's the definition of anecdotal

>Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis.

You're basing it off your own casual observation of one school system. Nobody is moving goalposts.

>With regards to the study, it compares two classes in two schools in high school. Yet somehow that's not anecdotal

Because they actually ran an experiment where they tracked and controlled as many variables as possible. It had scientific rigor.

>Furthermore no it actually says that the amount of sleep is what leads to better performance.

It also says the later start time gave children thirty more minutes of sleep. So yes, it does say that a later start time is better.

Re:California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am by ThomPete on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:23AM (#21278890)
2400 schools and exactly the same school system the “scientific studies” are based on, so yes you are moving the goal post. What i have is a pretty clear indication that meeting early in school does not affect your abilities to perform well in fact when you compare SA which have the earliest meeting time they dominate of a top 30, 20 of those are SA. I was responding to a claim that Later was better for performance.

Whatever that stude had in scientific rigor it lagged in sample size, if anything that was the very definition of anecdotal no matter how deep itcwent it was still only two classes on two different schools. Also notice how it talks about the sociodemographic reality as a way to explain some of thecredults yet SA is mostly from exactly that sociodemographic group yet outperform 98.2% of all other elementary schools in new york state.

And no the later time is only better because they got more sleep, but that can wasily be solved by going to bed earlier.

I dont for a second believe you cant see that your positive is simply not supported by your evidence and if you really cant see the holes in your position then i guess there is nothing more i can do. You are the one supporting anecdotal evidence, however detailed it is, not me.

You loterally started claiming i was talking about one school only, then you just kept moving the goal post. That’s intellectually dishonest and not something i care continuing supporting. Thanks for the talk.

Re:California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am by boomboomsubban on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:10AM (#21280174)
>What i have is a pretty clear indication that meeting early in school does not affect your abilities to perform well in fact when you compare SA which have the earliest meeting time they dominate of a top 30, 20 of those are SA.

All this shows is that there are more things that impact performance than start time. Those SA schools could still be performing better with a later start time, you have no idea.

>anything that was the very definition of anecdotal no matter how deep itcwent it was still only two classes on two different schools.

I gave you the definition of anecdotal, and it was not "based off of a small sample size." Only using two classes makes it a smaller experiment, but it still provides reliable data and it still cites other studies that have similar results.

>And no the later time is only better because they got more sleep, but that can wasily be solved by going to bed earlier.

Right, because children always do what is best for themselves and would never stay up later than they should.

> You are the one supporting anecdotal evidence, however detailed it is, not me.

I still can't believe you do not understand what anecdotal evidence is.

>You loterally started claiming i was talking about one school only, then you just kept moving the goal post

It was my mistake not to realize you were talking about a group of schools, I live in a rural area and a "school system" just means the elementary, middle, and high school in town. I have never moved the goalposts though, your statement was anecdotal whether talking about one school or a group of schools.

Re:California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am by ThomPete on Saturday October 19, 2019 @11:16AM (#21298902)
Of course there are other factors, but what I was responding to what the claim that meeting early lead to poorer performance. THATS the context here.

You are moving the goalpost whether you want to admit it or not. You made the mistake and you can't even live up to that. That says it all.

Re:California’s new law bans schools from starting before 8am by boomboomsubban on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:37PM (#21317022)
The mistake I admitted I made in my last post and gave context as to why I made the mistake? The mistake that doesn't even matter, as your evidence would still be defined as "anecdotal" either way? That says it all?