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Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by rayiner on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:08PM (#21276493)
I don't think calls to regulate Twitter/FB would get much traction if all they were doing was spam filtering. To see it from a different direction: imagine the shit show that would happen if Google started "moderating" gmail content, even though it currently does very aggressive spam filtering.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by tomp on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:46PM (#21276841)
Indeed. Spam filters, porn filters, swearword filters... all of those have precedents (in mainstream, non-social/internet media) and are perfectly acceptable by most of society.

In addition, notice that even GMail doesn't actually filter spam. It just hides it - it's an assistant, not arbiter of what you should see. It's more than happy for you to adjust the filters (for yourself personally).

Edit: GMail also does prioritization as of recently - but again, the purpose of that is to help users not filter content. Again, those algorithms are also adjustable for each user separately, they just have some "smart" defaults.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by spiraldancing on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:44AM (#21279228)
>GMail doesn't actually filter spam. It just hides it

This is not accurate. There is a long on-going issue with GMail (and others) wholesale blocking delivery of email from domains/IPs/providers it deems to be spam or otherwise inappropriate. GMail users get no indication/notification, and generally have no idea that email sent to them was simply not delivered.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by tambourine_man on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:24PM (#21278084)
Kind of. You can't turn their anti-spam off, you can't exclude addresses from it and, worse for me, Gmail can hard bounce if it doesn't like something in your server/IP/content in a way that's not fully documented or reproducible.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by stubish on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:29PM (#21278678)
You can now. You can create a filter matching whatever criteria you want (including from:[email protected] or a catch all), and specify matches 'never get flagged as spam'. Its not obvious, but it is there. And the usual limitations of filters apply, such as not being able to match arbitrary headers.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by oarsinsync on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:21AM (#21280501)
That only works on mail that actually gets delivered to your mailbox. Gmail can and will:

- Reject delivery of mail from sources it has determined to be spammy (e.g. residential IPs) - this mechanism allows the sender to be aware that delivery failed.

- Accept delivery and then silently drop the message somewhere between after accepting delivery but before appearing in the end user's mailbox.

In either case, there is nothing you (the mailbox holder) can do. In the second case, there is no way for anyone to know the message hasn't been delivered.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by krageon on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:59AM (#21279863)
Things can get flagged outside of your mailbox as so spammy that they will never arrive. This is how every spam filter works that I have seen to date and google is no exception.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by throwaway1777 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:52PM (#21278520)
It’s still not so easy. At what point does “fake news” become spam?
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by eanzenberg on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:27PM (#21278671)
Its pretty obvious what’s spam and what isn’t. “Fake news” is extremely subjective, so try not to anger half the country :)
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by yters on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:13PM (#21277096)
Google does censor my email to some extent. It send a number of conservative emails straight to spam.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by Spooky23 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:28PM (#21277714)
Political emails tend to get tagged as spam in general. I have someone close to me who is involved in local Democratic Party and progressive organizations. When you go to an event or donate money (say an award banquet), they share your name and spam the crap out of you. A lot of that mail gets tagged as spam as a result.

Conservative outlets work similarly, but they seem to have bigger online operations and are hard to get out of. My in laws get barraged with this stuff, and a mail provider like GMail or Microsoft gets a lot of spam signals from it I’m sure.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by mlang23 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:42AM (#21279220)
Political emails are spam. No matter from which direction they come from. So tagging them as spam seems just the right thing to do.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by Errancer on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:26AM (#21279706)
Political emails often are spam but not all of them. I subscribed to few newsletters from various political parties and I don't want google to block them from me.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by eru on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:55AM (#21280694)
It's only spam, if you don't want it.

If you explicitly solicit those emails, eg by signing up to a newsletter, it's not spam.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by yters on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:41AM (#21281389)
Some of the conservative emails I did not opt in, so could be considered spam. Others I did opt in and it still gets sent to spam.

On the other hand I get unsolicited email from some Democrat groups, and I never see such emails in spam.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by magduf on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:54PM (#21283964)
I'm liberal, and lots of the unsolicited Democrat emails go to my spam folder.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by QualityReboot on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:48PM (#21278227)
I've heard people in the political world talk about buying and selling email lists, which I thought was illegal, but seems to be common practice.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by mixmastamyk on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:13PM (#21278615)
In the early 90's I gave something like $20 to the Sierra Club or a similar group. After a deluge in physical mail asking for donations from around the political spectrum, I never did it again. I left no forwarding address after moving either. Pretty dumb on their part, they traded all their goodwill for a short-term dollar.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by mch82 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:32PM (#21278131)
Is it doing that because they are “conservative emails” or because they violate spam rules?

If those emails are flagged because they’re “conservative” then I agree with you that needs to he corrected.

However, if those emails are flagged because they violate well known spam rules then let’s help “conservative” email senders to follow the rules. Examples include not using single or double opt-in for signup, not honoring or providing an opt-out link, using emails from a bulk list that includes known flagged emails, not including a plain text copy of the email in the message, and originating from a flagged server. Reputable email services like MailChimp go to great lengths to educate email list admins how to follow these rules & curate high value email lists.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by mixmastamyk on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:17PM (#21278633)
Needs to be more specific as well. Is it intelligent conservatism in the vein of Bill Buckley or a knuckle-dragging ad hominem attacks from the lowbrow right?
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by oarsinsync on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:23AM (#21280524)
Gmail thankfully sends all the republican and democratic party emails I receive straight to spam.

One year, I made a concerted effort to troll some friends by getting them bumper stickers from the opposing party that they supported (e.g. dems got republican bumper stickers, repubs got democrat bumper stickers).

Since then, despite being sure to opt out of mails at the time of purchase, and clicking 'unsubscribe' numerous times, both parties continue to spam me.

Gmail filters these emails into spam for me. Thank goodness.

I'm led to believe that if enough gmail users mark emails as spam, this will get fed across to other users that haven't. So you can probably blame people like me for marking these messages as spam, for it occurring to you.

Or y'know, they could actually honor the 'unsubscribe' request and stop spamming me, and I wouldn't have to mark it (legitimately) as spam.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by adventured on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:36PM (#21277772)
Then it doesn't censor your email at all.

You can freely view the emails in your spam folder, with one click. You can optionally move the emails to your inbox and train Gmail ("not spam" button) not to place them there in the future.

It's going too far to call it censorship (in any manner) when an email provider places an email into a spam folder that requires one click to view/review.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by winkeltripel on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:56PM (#21277919)
A lot of overt spam (when gmail is most certain that it's spam) doesn't end up in the spam folder. A counter is incremented and the message is thrown out.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by jsjohnst on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:36PM (#21278440)
Unless you are talking about email coming from the most blacklisted of IPs, that’s not true.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by w1nst0nsm1th on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:03PM (#21277955)
It's not censorship. It's basic hygiene.