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Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by mintplant on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:34PM (#21266170)
So, what, as an LGBTQ+ person, I'm not allowed to be represented in media? Because my existence is "political"?
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by 2bitencryption on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:29PM (#21266475)
I think the problem is like this:

Blizzard creates art/items/events specifically catering to LGBTQ, with the concept that in modern western countries this is not a controversial stance but the only decent stance.

Then, at an event, a tournament winner is given a chance to speak and calls for democracy and freedom in Hong Kong.

Blizzard's response to this is ban him, take his prize away, ban the tournament casters for some reason (who did nothing at all, AFAIK).

The takeaway people get from these actions is "Blizzard projects the image that they care about social issues, but in reality they will shut you down hard if those issues cost them a penny."

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by rjf72 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:35AM (#21268268)
When forming opinions on things like this, I think its important to see what happened in context.

This [1] is the entire, in context, video of the controversy in question. Unfortunately I've yet to find a complete translated transcript so I am left on relying on potentially unreliable online translations. From what I've read the casters say 'Go ahead and say those 8 words and we'll wrap up here. There's nothing else to talk about. Let's lower our heads.' He then screams 'Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our time.' Guess that's 8 words in [presumably?] Cantonese. This was done while wearing a gas mask. The tournament casters then laugh and clap.

This is actually the thing that most frustrates me about so many issues. How can people justify forming opinions on these things without seeing everything in context? Why isn't this entire video, alongside a professional translation, a part of every story on the topic? Of course providing in context video gets downvoted, because it makes the issues look less black and white. But that to me is the clearest example of idiocracy. We should not seek to create Hollywood villains and heroes in nuanced issues. We should consider these issues as they are, which invariably tend to be a million shades of gray as opposed to black and white.

[1] - https://youtu.be/KyxO0Ea1_kM?t=2152

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by cthalupa on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:07AM (#21270444)
Nothing in that video should change anyone's mind on the issue on anything except whether or not the casters were also involved. I don't see how any of it changes anything important about the issue - Blizzard is censoring political speech for their own financial gain.

Why would it matter if three people were involved in the political speech rather than just one?

There's no guarantee in life that everything is shades of gray. Sometimes people really are evil. They're not Hollywood villains - Hollywood can't sell the level of evil some people actually are. Go read about the Falun Gong and organ harvesting.

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by phy6 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:37AM (#21267078)
Add Blizzard's weibo account response to their list of actions "....We will always respect and defend the pride of our country."

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dfkmp1/blizzards_...

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by SmirkingRevenge on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:08PM (#21266687)
Ehh... I think in common usage the "LGBTQ+" designation is fairly politically loaded. It really is intertwined with specific strains of political activism (mostly progressive left). And because of that, all sorts of policy views and prescriptions on ancillary matters have coalesced under the "LGBTQ+" umbrella. It may even say more about one's political identity/grouping at this point, than it does about sexual preferences or gender identity, etc.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by com on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:04AM (#21267511)
It’s almost as if non-majority sexual identity was a political statement of left-wingers?

Seriously: that cis, straight, unkinky people actually use the term LGBTQ+, are alive to the challenges that this group of people face every.single.day and are prepared to stand up and be counted is somehow a “progressive left” hobby or “political identity” rather than genuine human empathy and expression of civic values shows how little some people can even conceptualize the inner lives of others.

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by Rebelgecko on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:03AM (#21267206)
When Blizzard says "this character is gay in America but in other countries he is straight", it seems like inauthentic pandering instead of actual representation.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by belltaco on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:03AM (#21267502)
When did they say that?
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by Rebelgecko on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:24AM (#21267612)
The first time was in 2016.

Blizzard has released a series of comics delving into the backstories of the characters in the game. Feel free to play spot the difference with which comics got released in various locales:

America: https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/#comics-section

Russia: https://playoverwatch.com/ru-ru/media#comics-section

China: https://ow.blizzard.cn/media/ (there's some weird javascript stuff that prevents me from linking directly, click the speech bubble on the right side of the page to see the list of comics)

Taiwan: https://playoverwatch.com/zh-tw/media#comics-section

Edit: The tl;dr is that one of the comics doesn't exist in Russia or mainland China. Funnily enough, it looks like their CDN actually has a zh-cn version of the missing comic which is distinct from the zh-tw one (I don't know much about the chinese language but I'm assuming it's Simplified vs Traditional characters? Some of the onomatopoeia are translated differently too) https://static.playoverwatch.com/media/comics/10/zh-cn/comic...

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by cjbprime on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:26PM (#21272185)
> zh-tw

This is just the ISO language code for "Chinese as used in Taiwan".

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by belltaco on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:43PM (#21266223)
That's what a bunch of people have been saying in Reddit comments about Blizzard allowing "political speech" for acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ+ people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/comments/dgodfz/we_wont_al...

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by netsharc on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:17PM (#21266421)
Sadly in many places it still is political isn't it? Like Russia, China, Utah... Since homophobic bigots run the places and think it's ok to oppress things they aren't comfortable with...
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by knicholes on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:40AM (#21267098)
You name two countries and then an obscure state. What's the deal with Utah?
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by 1propionyl on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:59AM (#21267190)
Well, it might be that it is effectively a theocracy because a church with a strongly enforced normative code of "morality" controls access to political levers (practically requiring membership for anyone who wants to effect political change of any kind), and that church exerts a 10-15% tax on its members?

Which it then uses (in parallel to the "official" state government) to invest in projects and consolidate its own economic and political power?

Just spitballing though. It's certainly not as bad as Russia or China, but it's not an entirely unfounded inclusion on that list.

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by colejohnson66 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:11AM (#21269109)
The LDS church (Mormons) are much more accepting of LGBTQ+ members than other Christian sects from what I’ve seen. And that “tax” is called a tithe. And it’s optional.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by knicholes on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:24AM (#21270644)
It's only optional if you don't want to go inside the temples and don't mind being burned during the Second Coming.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by pseudalopex on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:35AM (#21270789)
The LDS church downgraded same sex marriage from apostasy to a serious transgression this year.[1] The Episcopal church ordained an openly gay bishop in 2003.[2]

[1] https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/first-presi...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Robinson

Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by colejohnson66 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:13PM (#21272012)
I didn’t say it was the best. I said it’s better than a lot of other churches.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by pseudalopex on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:16PM (#21275005)
You said it's much better than others. Not that it's better than a lot of others. I think neither is true by American standards. Not even the Catholic church withheld baptism from the children of same sex parents.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by netsharc on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:16AM (#21268168)
Just wanted to point out that it's just not far-away places that have backwards politicians.
Re:Blizzard Cancels Overwatch Event by dependenttypes on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:00AM (#21267193)
Do you think that there are groups of people that should not be allowed to be represented in the media?