Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by Florin_Andrei on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:55PM
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> The implications of epigenetic inheritance research, including regarding the fetal environment, are pretty shocking. Endocrine disrupting chemicals, drugs, smoking, and obesity can hurt your grandchildren.
There's got to be some adaptive function for all these things.
If some sort of signal is passed down the generations, I bet that mechanism was honed by natural selection, because it was probably useful, in the grand scheme of things, to do so.
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by sombremesa on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:40PM
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Natural selection is just an emergent process. Genetic errors at some stage are going to be passed to all descendants, regardless of utility. The harmfulness or usefulness of these errors is left as an exercise for mortality prior to reproduction - which, in modern society, may not be a particular useful factor.
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by bsanr2 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:00AM
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Speaking from my rear, epigenetic influence on growth and development is too fundamental a force to be a random error heretofore untouched by selection. With humans being a social, communal species, adverse conditions tend to hit populations en masse. That means that, for much of our (and our close relative's) evolutionary history, it was relatively certain that, say, all of your neighbors were suffering from the same drought you were. It would thus be "okay" for your children to grow to a smaller, more nutritionally manageable size, because the people they'd be competing with for food, territory and mates would also be smaller. Remember, if genetics are physical destiny, and they say you're going to be big, your body is going to have a go at it, and incur whatever performative costs that come from trying to nourish a 6ft body with a 5'6" diet. Who's more fit: the latter, starving, or the former, relatively well-fed? This model gives the body a mechanism for titrating aspects of development according to local conditions, across the handful or less generations it used to take for those conditions to change.
I would not be surprised if this ultimately explains the global growth spurt that took place in the 20th century.
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by smallnamespace on Monday October 14, 2019 @11:44PM
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The popularity of the Darwin awards notwithstanding, mortality is not the only mechanism by which evolutionary pressure is applied - simply influencing the likelihood of having children (and recursively onward through descendants) is sufficient.
That gives wide latitude for more subtle influences (e.g. attractiveness, desire to have children) to have a large impact.
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by elgenie on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:07AM
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Not the main point, but it should be noted that the Darwin Awards are wide open to candidates with outstanding self-sterilizations, not just people that remove themselves from the gene pool by dying (hilariously).
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by sombremesa on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:34AM
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That's a good point. I just wanted to emphasize that an epigenetic error being passed on is not a measure of its utility to an organism, rather, it is a necessary precondition for the resulting trait to be tested against the environment. Being a necessary element of "natural selection", the meta statement of calling this propagation a positive utility seems a bit incorrect, if only in verbiage.
Re:What men eat and drink may affect their babies’ health
by Amorymeltzer on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:37AM
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Apologies if I'm misreading your comment, but not necessarily. If something affects the production of your germ cells (sperm or eggs) or the cells themselves, then it can affect your children. Something as simple as a mutation in the sperm or egg leading to offspring will be carried by your children.
If, however, your exposure leads to mutations in a genetic region that affects sperm or eggs, your children may be perfectly fine except for their germ cells, which can lead to an issue in their children, your grandchildren.
This is not exactly accurate, because sperm cells are constantly re-created. It would be more accurate to say that some sort of epigenetic mechanism, that authors of the linked study admit they are not sure about, during the time of initial spermatogenesis can affect future spermatogenesis and therefore future generations.
The implications of epigenetic inheritance research, including regarding the fetal environment, are pretty shocking. Endocrine disrupting chemicals, drugs, smoking, and obesity can hurt your grandchildren.