Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by scarejunba on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:18PM
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The NTSB does actually investigate their stuff. And then it does issue recommends.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by mywacaday on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:29PM
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I see a cost issue, easy to justify a full investigation every time a commercial plane crashes, how do you do a full investigation every time somebody crashes a car or is crashed into. How do you get the improvement loop that the airline industry had?
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by Someone1234 on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:36PM
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I thought the topic was AutoPilot crashes, not all car crashes. Is AutoPilot crashing enough to be cost prohibitive?
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by netsharc on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:06PM
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At least plane crashes are usually mechanical and not software, or it's straightforward software (hello MCAS), investigating a machine learning's system behavior ("what input lead it produce this output?") sounds like a more expensive problem.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by mywacaday on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:54AM
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Until you look you don't know if i was hardware, software, road conditions or user, unless you look its just a a pile of twisted metal.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by Piskvorrr on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:50PM
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Not currently. If we get to mixed 50/50 traffic...possibly. (Saying "but won't happen, because magic future technology" would be literal handwaving)
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by jfk13 on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:04PM
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If we required full investigations now, while the numbers are small enough for it to be feasible, then perhaps by the time we get to 50/50 traffic, the technology will be that much better.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by wongarsu on Monday October 14, 2019 @02:24PM
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We already investigate nearly every car crash, it's just that we usually find one of the drivers at fault instead of one of the car manufacturers. The resources are there, currently provided mostly through police and insurance agencies.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by xVedun on Monday October 14, 2019 @11:43AM
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Hopefully it takes less than ~50 years which the airline industry took to get to that point. Seems that this would need to become a popular opinion before becoming reality.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by standyro on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:16PM
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Regulation saves lives. We don't even have to look at the airline industry. Seat belts saved lives. Tailpipe emission controls saved lives. Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot and other Level 2 (partial autonomy) solutions will save lives.
Re:The complicated ethics of Tesla’s Autopilot
by dantheman on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:26PM
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Not always - it has to be appropriate - there are cases where regulation costs lives by locking in suboptimal solutions because the costs to re-certify can be too high.
We need to have the appropriate balance.
If we look at the history of airline safety, going back further, we can see that it took many years and numerous crashes to get to the point where it became well regulated and crashes were independently investigated. Before government stepped in, private companies weren't doing a great job and their biases (inc. bad headlines/liability/cost) got in the way of improving passenger safety.
So let's absolutely keep with the airline analogy and regulate Tesla's AutoPilot like the airline industry.