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Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by ikeboy on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:24PM (#21243983)
Product reviews are meant to be of the product, so it shouldn't matter which seller it is if you're all selling the same product.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by lkschubert8 on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:33PM (#21244046)
But without Amazon doing their own QC there is no way to say it is the same product. You should at least be able to see reviews based on the supplier and pick the supplier you will be fulfilled by. But I suspect that would ruin their whole 2-day/1-day shipping bit.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by thaumasiotes on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:14AM (#21245224)
> I suspect that would ruin their whole 2-day/1-day shipping bit.

They are no longer offering 1-day shipping. When I signed up for prime, one of the benefits was discounted 1-day shipping on items for which the free 2-day shipping wasn't fast enough. I recently had need of that, and learned that the options are now (1) "prime shipping", with no particular service guarantee. There is no second option. I contacted customer service multiple times asking why I couldn't choose 1-day shipping and was told "because the item is out of stock. There is only one item left in stock, that means the item is out of stock".

Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by crooked-v on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:41AM (#21245528)
I've seen 1-day and even same-day shipping on a variety of items, so I suspect it's determined by some arcane combination of user location and item logistics.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by chc on Monday October 14, 2019 @03:02AM (#21245820)
They used to offer guaranteed two-day shipping and a paid upgrade to one-day shipping; now they just have "Prime Shipping" as the parent said, and what "Prime Shipping" means varies from item to item and time to time. It can mean one-day. I don't think I've ever seen same-day shipping, but I'd imagine I just don't live close enough to a fulfillment center.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by ikeboy on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:35PM (#21244055)
They do QC: sellers that have too many complaints get kicked off.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by nostoc on Sunday October 13, 2019 @11:22PM (#21245022)
If they wait for complaints, that's not amazon doing the QC, it's the client.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by noodlesUK on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:56PM (#21244423)
But you can’t identify which seller your product came from. That’s the whole problem here.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by shawnz on Sunday October 13, 2019 @09:11PM (#21244502)
But when you return the defective product, Amazon can see what seller it came from.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by MertsA on Sunday October 13, 2019 @11:24PM (#21245030)
Are you sure about that? I thought part of the whole incentive for commingled inventory was that Amazon no longer kept track of it separately per vendor and just lumped it all into the same bin without a unique serial number.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by ikeboy on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:49AM (#21245334)
Am sure and posted the link elsewhere on this thread
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by 4A414B56 on Sunday October 13, 2019 @09:42PM (#21244633)
Counterfeit products are still a huge problem on their platform. Great QC.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by beerandt on Sunday October 13, 2019 @09:12PM (#21244505)
Only if they only purchased one.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by journalctl on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:30PM (#21250036)
Ah yes, like how if a drug company poisons enough people then the market will make them go out of business. You know, because people died.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by jhbadger on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:47PM (#21244381)
Even for non-counterfeit books, Amazon defines "product" too broadly -- reviews for a book tend to combine both the printed and Kindle versions and you'll see people complaining about the formatting of the Kindle version on the page for the printed copy.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by TylerE on Sunday October 13, 2019 @09:29PM (#21244573)
The one thing that really frustrates me is how poorly they curate editions. This is especially bad with translated works. Like - you're on the hardcopy version of a nice, modern translation, then you click over to the e-book version and it's some random bowlderdized public domain version from 150 years ago.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by 4A414B56 on Sunday October 13, 2019 @09:47PM (#21244648)
This is a problem with everything being sold on amazon. I read reviews for a stamp (dates for ISO8601) and very few of the reviews are relevant to the product I was looking at. Almost none of them made sense for the product I was viewing, actually.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by moultano on Monday October 14, 2019 @10:49AM (#21248861)
I was trying to buy a Grimm's Stories book for my kids and it was basically impossible. They had 5 different translations and selections of stories under the same entry.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by ikeboy on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:51PM (#21244402)
That's a fair point, although people should read the reviews and can tell if it's content or formatting.

The alternative of separating Kindle reviews seems wrong. Most reviews are useful to buyers of both formats.

Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by bloak on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:19AM (#21247443)
Perhaps people who write product reviews should get into the habit of starting their review with a description of what they are reviewing, who they ordered it from, and how much they paid for it. That last bit of information is definitely very relevant if you're going to comment in your review on whether the product was good value for money.

Perhaps also put the date in the review itself and state that you do not give permission for the review to be edited.

Unfortunately, I think that some sites don't allow reviews to mention prices.

Even if the T&Cs say you give up all your rights in the review you perhaps still have a right not to be misrepresented so they shouldn't edit your review if the review is still going to be attributed or attributable to you.

Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by wongarsu on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:26PM (#21244297)
If the product is a "Philips Boilermaster 3000" kettle then this is true (if we ignore counterfeits).

But not all Amazon products work that way. The "t-shirt with eagle print" could be made by a number of companies with wildly varying quality, all fitting this product description. Similarly there are lots of 10m Cat 7 S/FTP lan cables.

Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by ikeboy on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:30PM (#21244313)
If you buy a generic product with no brand name and no intellectual property, then all you have is the pictures. If they all look the same, they could technically be different quality but there's no reason to expect a certain level of quality without a brand name.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by PhasmaFelis on Sunday October 13, 2019 @11:39PM (#21245093)
You should expect to get the same product if you buy the same product, though, whatever the quality.
Re:Counterfeit books “shipped and sold by Amazon”? by dx034 on Monday October 14, 2019 @03:30AM (#21245960)
Reviews can still be important. If you have a lot of positive reviews and don't need a brand name, it could be worth the risk to save money. But you don't want to be the first to test out.