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Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by dangus on Saturday October 12, 2019 @08:00PM (#21237224)
And it’s happened on the Windows side, too.

You can’t just run transport tycoon, rollercoaster tycoon, or xcom without any sort of modification on Windows 10. You’re either using an open source drop-in game engine or a packaged DOSBox setup from Steam. Or in the case of Rollercoaster Tycoon, a rewritten game (RTC Classic).

Windows 10 doesn’t run 16-bit applications, and Windows 10 doesn’t work nicely with a large amount of Windows XP era software.

Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by munchbunny on Saturday October 12, 2019 @11:38PM (#21238204)
The important difference is that Windows supported 16-bit for well over a decade after moving to 32-bit Windows. Well after how long the game developers intended for their games to stay relevant.

The fact that I can still run Age of Empires 2 on Windows 10, from 20 years ago, is amazing compared to the backwards compatibility track records of most software.

If only we all got more than ten years to port our stuff forward.

Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by armadsen on Sunday October 13, 2019 @12:22AM (#21238347)
The first 64-bit Macs came out 16 years ago. The first 64-bit Intel Macs came out 13 years ago. The 32-bit to 64-bit transition on the Mac has not been an abrupt one.
Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:37AM (#21239856)
I think we're looking at this the wrong way.

The reason Microsoft killed 16 bit support (In 64 bit editions of Windows) is that very few people were actually running 16 bit apps at that point. Where Microsoft made a decision based on what their users were actually doing, Apple has a made a decision based on what it wants their users to be doing.

The amount of time isn't really relevant. If lots of your users rely on 32 bit software, you should put in the effort to make them work. Apple products are expensive, and I think it's reasonable to expect this in return.

Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by sarbaz on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:54AM (#21240111)
The true reason is that intel didn't support coexistence of Virtual 8086 mode with 64-bit mode. So adding 16 bit app support would require loads of work to get it working as part of a 64 bit OS.

Regular protected mode code has built in support that allows easily running 16 bit apps, so maintaining compatibility was a no-brainer. The moment the trade-off changed, Microsoft decided to drop support for 16 bit apps.

Personally, I don't mind that very much, because dosbox is a great product that bridges the gap perfectly.

Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by LocalH on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:42AM (#21248131)
Really, all they'd have to do is drop a v86 emulator into NTVDM. There actually exist a handful of projects attempting to bring emulated 16-bit support to 64-bit Windows, including one that's based on that leaked Windows source code (which apparently had a copy of the CPU emulator they used on other platforms back when there were actually non-Intel builds of Windows).
Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by kyriakos on Sunday October 13, 2019 @12:58AM (#21238469)
16 bit is an order of magnitude older than 32 bit though
Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by mattigames on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:21AM (#21239999)
16-bit applications?? Of course I don't expect Monkey Island 2 released 30 years ago to work on Windows 10, it would be nice but is easy to conclude it wouldn't work without even trying; what is being talked about here are game released few years ago and even just last year for mac.
Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by ksbakan on Saturday October 12, 2019 @10:49PM (#21237994)
Windows 10 still supports 16 bit applications if you run 32 bit windows.
Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by lightbulbjim on Saturday October 12, 2019 @11:54PM (#21238258)
Give OpenRCT2 a try.
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Re:Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS... by krilly on Saturday October 12, 2019 @11:35PM (#21238190)
The reason you can't downvote yet is because downvoting stunts conversation and doesn't let anyone else know why the comment is bad, while not giving the parent an opportunity to defend their position because they don't know what the issue is.

But you've persevered and managed to achieve this anyway. Nice one.