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Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by mahmud on Wednesday January 19, 2011 @09:24PM (#2122311)
Is the whole privacy on search thing really a big issue?

Yes it is, if you're a political activist. Both Yahoo and Google have a proven history spying on people on behalf of government.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by dschobel on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:08AM (#2122730)
"spying on people" is a really unfair way to describe what happens when you voluntarily share your information with a third party who is in turn subpoenaed.

You should be taking issue with the governments demanding the records rather than expecting these companies to break the law on your behalf.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by awakeasleep on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:29AM (#2122773)
Few spies self-identify as someone who hurts innocent people. They think of themselves as supporting their family while helping their government or something.

Don't focus on what nouns different parts of the spying apparatus choose to label themselves with, or what other functions they serve. Instead, consider their effects in the context of being a spying apparatus.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by dschobel on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:51AM (#2122824)
But how is it spying if you use the service voluntarily, they tell you exactly that they collect and often (always?) let you opt out of the collection.

That's a really diluted standard for "spying".

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by awakeasleep on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:07PM (#2124272)
Well, consider spies in WW2, specifically the "loose lips sink ships" variety.

The spies that saying warns of were not crawling around in vents with night vision goggles, they were your friends, neighbors, and coworkers who would relay semi-public information to a processing center that used the info towards harmful ends.

I see this situation as a direct analogue. We communicate naturally with a supposedly disinterested or trustworthy party, who then collects that information and distributes it to others, without our best interests in mind.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by _delirium on Thursday January 20, 2011 @02:47AM (#2123018)
Do Google and Yahoo actually have a policy of only turning over information to governments when subpoenaed, or otherwise legally compelled, and promise not to voluntarily turn over such information in the absence of a court order? I can't find any solid statements on that from either company.
Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by mahmud on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:27AM (#2122769)
Where do you draw the line? what governments is google allowed to hand over information to vs which ones it can deny?
Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by dschobel on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:49AM (#2122816)
The simple answer is wherever they have operations. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if you are going to run ops within a country you implicitly have to follow the law of the land.

That being said, thinking they shouldn't be in a particular country which obligates them to do these things is a much more sound position than just saying they shouldn't follow the law in a few particular cases.

Ultimately, if you know they are operating in a country with a government which likes to do these sorts of things, caveat utilitor. (At least, try not to look so surprised when the police come knocking.)

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by mahmud on Thursday January 20, 2011 @04:07AM (#2123132)
wherever they have operations

And because of that I choose to use a 1-man search engine, without loss of quality, while gaining everything last bit of privacy.

And because of this, his stunt of a billboard ad is actually truthful.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by dschobel on Thursday January 20, 2011 @05:18AM (#2123209)
Whether you place your trust in a multibillion dollar company, a one man shop, or just use an anonymizing proxy, the issues are the same.

The billboard is just noise and you are technically sophisticated enough to know better.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by moultano on Wednesday January 19, 2011 @10:47PM (#2122558)
>Both Yahoo and Google have a proven history spying on people on behalf of government.

[citation needed]

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by mahmud on Wednesday January 19, 2011 @11:19PM (#2122624)
And ye shall receive:

"An Indian man is facing five years in jail for making an "offensive" comment [against Sonya Ghandi] after Google handed his personal data to local police."

http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2217063/google-handing-user-...

Yahoo taken to task over China

http://www.boycottyahoo.com/yahoo_taken_to_task_over_china.h...

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by joesb on Thursday January 20, 2011 @12:12AM (#2122740)
Distortion. That's not Google spying on people. The guy use Orkut, a social network website, surely there's his account information there.

The personal data that is handed over is email address of the account. It's probably a privacy violation if it's really that hard to find out someone's email address once you know his social network account, but it's not spying on people.

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by mahmud on Thursday January 20, 2011 @04:28AM (#2123161)
Google OWNS Orkut, in fact, it says so on the 2nd line:

Google's Orkut social networking site

Here is the same story on TechCrunch showing how Google provided more than just an email address:

The owner of the email id Rahul Vaid was traced, using information supplied by Google, to Chakarpur in Gurgaon city of Haryana.

http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/18/hit-pause-on-the-evil-butto...

Re:DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard... by joesb on Thursday January 20, 2011 @03:33PM (#2125153)
Yes, Google own Orkut.

That makes it even less sensible to call Google "spying" on people when one signup for Google's social network.