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Re:Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store by api on Thursday October 10, 2019 @11:05AM (#21215324)
Personally I think the real problem is that the OS is fundamentally broken. All current OSes are fundamentally broken from a security point of view because they all pre-date the era when security was such a concern and are designed to run only de-facto trusted code. All the security we have including all iOS's security is a bolt-on afterthought.

A modern security and privacy conscious OS would be "principle of least privilege" from the ground up. It would be written into the DNA of the kernel and OS from the first line of code, not bolted on later via permission managers and leaky APIs and then mandatory notarization by a central authority to work around the fact that the whole mess is still insecure.

We do have something like that. It's called a web browser. A browser is a small VM that runs utterly untrusted code relatively safely. In many cases it's code from the sketchiest ad networks and other hellholes imaginable.

Imagine if your real OS were like that. Install anything even known malware with fairly strong confidence that you're safe and that it can't do anything you don't explicitly grant to it.

Re:Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store by wvenable on Thursday October 10, 2019 @11:18AM (#21215477)
Modern OSes are designed to prevent users from attacking other users (or the system) with malicious code. They are not designed to protect the user from malicious code they themselves install.

> We do have something like that. It's called a web browser. A browser is a small VM that runs utterly untrusted code relatively safely. In many cases it's code from the sketchiest ad networks and other hellholes imaginable.

Given how many issues there are with ad tracking, fingerprinting, and other privacy related issues, I don't feel the web browser is particularly safer than an iOS app. What can an iOS app really do that a browser app cannot at this point?

Re:Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store by wbl on Thursday October 10, 2019 @11:33AM (#21215692)
This is what Android attempts to provide and it is hard.
Re:Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store by btown on Thursday October 10, 2019 @01:06PM (#21216875)
This is what happens when you try to do that - you pop up so many prompts that everyone just clicks "Allow" out of frustration anyways, which defeats the purpose.

https://tyler.io/macos-10-15-vista/

https://tyler.io/broken/

Re:Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store by api on Thursday October 10, 2019 @02:14PM (#21217549)
The UI for it may be the toughest unsolved problem. Something must be done to simplify and group concepts. You can't just give the user a barrage of micro-permission dialogs.