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Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by pbhjpbhj on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:14AM (#21212426)
They could parallax though, so that doesn't seem like the best argument.

They could also use complex optics like "plain lens" with a "fish-eye border", or highlight obstacles by boosting colour contrast or adding in non-visual sensor data.

If cameras are that much better we should be getting vehicles that use both (which we do for rear-view but not side-mirrors AFAIK).

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by catalogia on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:35AM (#21212520)
> They could parallax though, so that doesn't seem like the best argument.

I've never seen parallax emulated with head tracking that didn't have piss-poor latency issues. Not to mention poorly configured kalman filters that seem to always do too little or too much smoothing. These systems are fine for cute tech demos but don't belong in safety-critical applications involving multiple tons of steel moving at 100+km/h.

Before replacing mirrors in cars, why not start with making a TV "window" that actually works. Prove the technology in a real world application that isn't safety critical, then we can talk. If it's ready for use on highways, then it should be easy to mount a TV on a wall and provide a convincing experience of actually looking out a window.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by dandelany on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:05PM (#21218609)
This. A “transparent” A-pillar (the bit separating your windshield from driver’s side window) would be a good start, and if it worked well, it’s a feature I’d pay extra for.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by scrumper on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:15PM (#21218709)
Absolutely. Big thick A pillars have increased survivability in crashes (embedded airbags, stronger structure) but that doesn't come for free - they cause some accidents (hiding bikers, also cars when pulling out of junctions).

I'd love to see a transparent A pillar but I can imagine the parallax issues (talked about in other comments here) would make them a bit weird.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by pro_zac on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:37AM (#21223705)
Volvo made a concept car with glass A pillars and no B pillars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_SCC

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by scrumper on Friday October 11, 2019 @10:06AM (#21224472)
That was interesting, thanks. Good to see how much of its safety features are now common (blind spot assist, adaptive cruise control etc.) And, given this thread, amusing that the wikipedia article doesn't pick up on the A pillars.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by __MatrixMan__ on Thursday October 10, 2019 @07:46PM (#21220331)
I've never seen head tracking applications at all, and I'm not surprised that they're underwhelming, but I hope the state of practice gets better because it would be really cool to have an AR setup where metadata is projected onto the windshield and windows such that it lines up with the driver's perspective.

Imagine a thousand foot tall semi-transparent google maps pin, resting lightly on the head of the person you're picking up, visible for hundreds of miles but only to those who are interested.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by catalogia on Thursday October 10, 2019 @07:54PM (#21220375)
The sci-fi tech I've wanted for years is a liquid crystal windshield that blacks out a small circle over the sun from the driver's perspective while leaving the rest of the windshield clear. Driving west in the evening or east in the morning, I wager a lot of people have had this idea at some point.

I have no idea if it will ever become feasible, but I sure hope it does.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by astatine on Thursday October 10, 2019 @11:49PM (#21221405)
This. Not just the sun, but more annoyingly, opposing headlights in the night. Technologies to avoid blinding opposing drivers are not adequate. We could do with technology to assist those who are on the affected side.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by xaedes on Friday October 11, 2019 @01:22PM (#21226452)
Material sciences could bring a solution:

Transparent material that becomes opaque to bright light (something like gamma < 1, gain < 1) in the direction of the light. So each point of the material is transparent or opaque depending on the viewing angle and respective directed light flow through it.

I think such a material could be engineered.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by FPGAhacker on Thursday October 10, 2019 @09:13PM (#21220707)
I've had the exact same thought. I expect it to happen eventually, or some other tech will render the issue moot.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by elFarto on Thursday October 10, 2019 @07:07AM (#21213065)
There's a new Honda 'e', that doesn't have side mirrors at all, and just has two screens inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEKq8jmckz0

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by seltzered_ on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:28PM (#21218825)
Honda has a video specifically on the camera mirror system, and mentions using a wider fov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urf9JK5Szn8
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by farisjarrah on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:04PM (#21219154)
Honda is awesome! The only other car manufacturer I would buy from beside them is probably Toyota. That being said... Please don't let them touch ANY of the software... The head unit in my car is a UI/UX disaster, if you try to use it in any capacity while driving its definitely worse then just texting and driving. The only saving grace of the Honda head unit is that they finally started implementing Android Auto in them. Also, the Lane Keep Assist and Anti-Collision features leave a lot to be desired.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by marcc on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:16PM (#21219268)
Yikes. Terribly distracting controls and sounds like significant challenges with safety features (lane keep and anti-collision). What makes Honda "awesome", in your opinion? I'm wondering what is ranking higher than these safety concerns you mention?
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by farisjarrah on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:54PM (#21219569)
I've owned a Plymouth Voyager, Toyota Tercel, Mercedes c280, Mercedes ml320, a Ford Focus, and a Jeep Wrangler in the past. Hands down the Honda is the most reliable and cheap to maintain car of any I have owned(other then perhaps the Toyota Tercel). My Honda Fit was $18,000 new and had features that were only standard on $25,000+ cars. Things like android auto, CVT transmission with flappy paddle shifters, moon roof, lane keep assist and anti-collision. Sure those systems have some problems, but I like still having them. I fully expect this car to last me 250,000+ miles.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by jermaustin1 on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:40AM (#21223738)
I'm just over 100k miles on my 2015 fit, and I see it going about 100k more without any thing more than a tune up and new brakes.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by WillPostForFood on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:47PM (#21219511)
Disappointing that Honda isn't bringing the E to the United States.
Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by froindt on Thursday October 10, 2019 @06:05AM (#21212687)
>If cameras are that much better we should be getting vehicles that use both (which we do for rear-view but not side-mirrors AFAIK).

The 2015 Honda CR-V has a camera under the right mirror. When you turn your right blinker on, the screen switches to that view with an overlay for car lengths. It's kinda handy, but I probably wouldn't pay much more marginally for that feature.

Re:Cameras Could Replace Car Mirrors? by FPGAhacker on Thursday October 10, 2019 @09:15PM (#21220715)
It's about being more likely to choose the CR-V because of the features, rather than paying more, I think.