Note that according to Snopes, Obama's ICE was putting kids in cages.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigran...

> it wasn’t withholding bedding?

They actually tried to buy extra beds and one of the “do no business with ICE” companies refused to sell to them, so they ended up with fewer beds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls...

No.

I didn't say not providing bedding, I said removing existing bedding. Because ICE believes in collective punishment of children, and considers removing bedding to be acceptable. [1,2]

Here's a question for pro-ICE people: if another country started rounding up and separating American families, then lost track of the children, would you support those actions as well? Or does it only apply to people with the wrong skin color?

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi... [2] https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929

The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.

Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?

People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.

It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"

No, the answer is I don’t approve of silly hyperbole that only exists because you don’t like the current head of state. Where were you when the last administration was doing the exact same thing? You didn’t care then, because you liked that administration. If you were intellectually honest you’d have protested then rather than waiting for your handlers to tell you it was time to make noise.

DarmokJalad1701 pointed out specific new behavior that this administration enacted as official policy, and you then justified it.

We agree that you don't approve of ~silly hyperbole~ other people having convictions, but you made it very clear that you _do_ approve of family separations, but don't think that anybody should be criticized for it if other bad things ever happened before.

As for "[my] handlers telling [me] it was time to make noise," who is really bringing the silly hyperbole? What is even the conspiracy here? Are we all in the back pocket of big-Gitlab or something?

I didn't "justify" anything. I said that your hyperbole is hyperbole, and you didn't care when the politicians you liked were in charge, which suggests you really don't care at all and are simply part of the outrage machine that spins up when someone tells them to.

If you had convictions, you'd have had them when the last administration was doing this. You didn't then, you don't now.

BTW, the "specific examples" you talk about are not accurate. You're quoting talking points. People who cross the border illegally and then pretend to be "asylum seekers" when they get caught are not "legal asylum seekers", they have committed a crime. Nobody is arresting people who legally present to a border crossing and request asylum, because they haven't committed a crime to be arrested for.

Shorter you

a. I don't justify this

b. I know you didn't care about government-sponsored child abuse before Trump, because your protest (to the thing that had yet to happen) wasn't in my news feed

c. btw, here are my justifications for why they had to do the child abuse

Still didn't get it right.

The Trump administration didn't change anything. News agencies have used footage showing the Obama administration doing what you call "child abuse" and pretending it was the Trump administration.

No one has justified child abuse. When someone commits a crime and has a child with them, the two are necessarily not going to be hanging out in a cell together -- especially when it's possible the crime is trafficking that child. That's just not how it works.

OK, so when

- a DHS official in March 2017 floated a policy of family separation and said that "we are trying to find ways to deter the use of children in illegal immigration." [1] - Jeff Sessions directed federal prosecutors "to adopt immediately a zero-tolerance policy for all offenses" related to the misdemeanor of improper entry into the United States [2] - John Kelly justified the new policy by saying "The children will be taken care of—put into foster care or whatever." [3]

and subsequently more than 2000 children, some as young as 12 months old, were separated from their parents,

That was all a liberal smokescreen. They weren't changing anything! Actually, this was always Obama's policy, DHS and DOJ just waited to enact it until after he left office and the guy who campaigned against his record just happened to be around when those separations actually occurred. And all of those political appointees saying that they were changing things were just deep state plants.

> The Trump administration didn't change anything

They told us they would do new things, many times, and then they did the things. It is really bizarre that fervent Trump supporters like yourself are so shy about taking credit for MAGA. He's delivering on his core promises! Why are you so insistent on giving credit to the usurper that came before?

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/dhs-children-adults-... [2] https://www.voanews.com/usa/sessions-announces-zero-toleranc... [3] https://www.npr.org/2018/05/11/610116389/transcript-white-ho...

That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim.

Fuck your alternative facts.

Even Snopes says it's true.

No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.

It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.