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Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:40AM (#21192809)
We're all programmable, sure. And I think it's important for their to be competing voices such that we don't end up in the Party.

But some level of social cohesion is desirable, and I think starting at the level of 'not allowed to advocate for the rape and murder of peoples' is a reasonable step towards ensuring less people think that is viable.

Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by luckylion on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:45AM (#21193518)
And to attain that social cohesion, outlawing wrongthink is certainly a way. It is allowed to advocate doing harm to people, it's just that you have to be selective. You can't do it to protected classes, but unprotected groups are just fine, which is why I believe the moral case for hate speech laws typically falls flat. If it was about morals, it would target everybody equally. It doesn't, so it isn't.
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:49AM (#21193571)
That's not true at all. Maybe in America, I have no idea, but where I'm from its applied equally.
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by trentnix on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @12:07PM (#21193775)
where I'm from its applied equally

Weren't you saying about people being programmable? Every society throughout history has struggled with administering justice equally. Every single one.

Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @12:27PM (#21194001)
So we should stop trying?

The reality is both ends of the spectrum are undesirable. To move too far in either direction ends in murder and destruction.

Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by luckylion on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @01:11PM (#21194483)
I've found it to typically not be applied equally, neither in the US nor in Europe (which makes sense, since it's designed to protect marginalized groups). For a quick test, replace some words, i.e. "all X are ..." and make it "all Y are ...", switch minorities and majorities around - you'll be able to tell whether it's considered hate speech then. #YesAllXYZ
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @01:18PM (#21194575)
Can you provide me with an example?
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by HeroOfAges on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:15PM (#21197351)
Saying "It's ok to be white" is considered hate speech by many. Saying "It's ok to be black" is a statement of empowerment.
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by luckylion on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @02:12PM (#21195215)
"Kill all men". There's plenty of generalizations, insults and derogatory statements against groups, it's just not a problem if those groups aren't perceived as oppressed. Change a word or two and voila: hate speech.
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @02:45PM (#21195641)
Can you provide me of an example where kill all men is not identified as hate speech?
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by trentnix on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:11PM (#21195953)
Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by luckylion on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @02:55PM (#21195748)
This sounds too much like you moving the goal post along, and I've had those conversations before; I did not find them fruitful. Next up "can you provide a case number where 'kill all $foo' was classified as hate speech by a federal judge who's first name starts with an E".

You can google that sentence, you can read defenses of it and make up your mind. I'm not that passionate about changing a single opinion that I'm going to waste time chasing after your ever expanding requirements.

Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by streb-lo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:27PM (#21196141)
Why bother replying if you're not going to be charitable in my assumptions?

I had never heard of the term but I would certainly agree that it's hate speech. It seems to me that it was a twitter hashtag that some people thought was funny.

I don't agree with it but I also think that an equivalent hashtag #killallwomen would have an equally hard time being brought before a judge.

Re:Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hon... by luckylion on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:29PM (#21196859)
> Why bother replying if you're not going to be charitable in my assumptions?

I find it rude to simply turn around and walk away without saying why I chose to. I remembered previous conversations I had that went the same way and ended in me being dragged along and my time being wasted. Fool me once, shame on me etc etc. I apologize if that was not your intention.