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Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by nrclark on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:34PM (#21183608)
That "disgusting bunch of people" wrote a ton of the underlying software that powers the internet. You might not like them, but show a little respect.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:46PM (#21183766)
I don't show respect to people that throw their leader under the bus at the first sign of trouble. They have achieved some cool technical stuff but that is no excuse for being a sad sack of a human.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by kennywinker on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:15PM (#21184155)
You're literally doing what you describe. Throwing away a bunch of people at the first sign of an action you disagree with.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:31PM (#21184338)
These people are not in any way the leaders of a group I belong to. I'm not part of GNU. So I'm not doing the same thing at all.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by kennywinker on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:39PM (#21184418)
Sorry, I should have said "writing off" not "throwing away"
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:53PM (#21184577)
Me writing off a bunch of people that are mostly unrelated to me and a group of people expel their leader are vastly different things. There is(should be) an inherit trust from the leader to the group and the group to the leader. It's fine for the group to expel. What is not fine in my opinion is for the group to do this under external pressure.

This clearly show the group has no allegiance to the group itself. Only to winds of external pressures. It basically proved GNU is not really serious group. Just window dressing.

Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by kennywinker on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:10PM (#21184758)
Apparently some other non serious groups include: governments, most major corporations.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:28PM (#21184971)
That's exactly right. Governments enforce their power through force and major corporations through money. Not groups that deserve any respect or their stance be taking seriously.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by kennywinker on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:49PM (#21185198)
This is a huge aside, but the most disturbing part of your response is the bit about governments. Governments are _supposed_ to be responsible to the people. Responding to external pressure is literally their job. They should be respected when they are responsive to the people. They only need to "enforce their power through force" when they are not responsive to the people.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:17PM (#21185492)
Yes governments job is to respond to the people. I'm not sure what your point is. That inherently makes the government a group that can't be trusted. It's too fickle to be trusted.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:40PM (#21184448)
> I don't show respect to people that throw their leader under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

If they had done that, Stallman would have been gone decades ago.

Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:06PM (#21184711)
Which would have been fine. It's not fine that this happens when external pressure due to the media is happening.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:08PM (#21184740)
I don't think a problem escalating to mass media attention makes it less appropriate to deal with it.
Re:Joint Statement on the GNU Project by rowanG077 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:30PM (#21184988)
It does when that mass media attention is based on easily verifiable lies.