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Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by tom_mellior on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:40PM (#21182889)
It was the Supreme Court's job to change the laws about abortion and gay marriage and school segregation when Congress obviously messed up or failed to act.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by Dylan16807 on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:23PM (#21183465)
Those are issues about treating people humanely and as equals.

This issue boils down to whether people have to work 8 vs. 9 hours for a certain amount of pay, with some paperwork issues piled on top. It matters but there aren't any human rights involved in any meaningful way. The law isn't inherently invalid.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by DangitBobby on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:05PM (#21184041)
I bet traffic problems would be solved overnight if employers were required to compensate employees for commute times. It's time to stop giving freebies on people's backs, tbh.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by tom_mellior on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:58PM (#21185871)
The entire law doesn't need to be invalid. But if it says that your employer can force you to be present without compensation, that part can be inherently invalid.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by Dylan16807 on Monday October 07, 2019 @10:37PM (#21188133)
Define "force".

If you mean "hold you against your will", they can't do that.

If you mean "you have to do it to stay employed", they can.

The question here is how pay is calculated. It's not whether the security checks themselves are a problem.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by tom_mellior on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @02:56AM (#21189493)
> The question here is how pay is calculated.

Yes. Specifically, whether your employer can make you do work that they don't define as work and therefore don't pay, even though it has all the characteristics of work: Being where they tell you when they tell you doing what they tell you.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:36AM (#21190325)
They pay you every two weeks. From a human rights point of view, it doesn't matter the tiniest bit whether a workday is 8 hours at $12 plus .75 hours at $0, or 8.75 hours at $11. So there is no reason for the supreme court to intervene on that basis. The lawmakers are in charge here, and the law won't be inherently invalid.

That's why this is being fought with state law, not the constitution. The federal law is doing something stupid, but the stupidity is mostly an accounting trick. Everyone is still getting paid for their total labor.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by tom_mellior on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:46AM (#21190378)
From a human rights point of view it absolutely matters if you agree to work 8 hours per day, and your employer agrees to pay you for 8 hours of work per day, but also decides to keep you locked up for some extra unpaid time.

I see we won't agree here, so I'm out.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage a... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:48AM (#21190390)
You're not locked up. You agree to the extra unpaid time as a bundle with the paid time. You can quit any time. And your pay each week is a fair amount.