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Re:Why New York City Stopped Building Subways (2018) by ceejayoz on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:04PM (#21176694)
> The same is true on the 9th ave x 50+th street area where there's active water sanitation department's work going on. I walk along 9th ave every weekday morning and there are a lot of idle 'workers' who are probably supervising. I'd say only about half of them are doing useful work while others sit/stand around and chat.

This looks bad, and some of the time it is just inefficiency, but in many cases there may be a series of tasks, dependent on each other, some of which require a lot of laborers and some that don't.

It's often better to employ a welder for the day than to stop work entirely when you don't have one milling around on site waiting for their next task.

Re:Why New York City Stopped Building Subways (2018) by colechristensen on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:28PM (#21176804)
The same queuing problem exists all over in computing as well and is similarly poorly addressed often as not. Japanese car companies and more generally lean engineering is all about fixing this. I highly doubt worker assignments are anywhere near optimal and are probably mostly whatever the job foreman feels like is right.

Some groups have this down to a science for their particular industry (say, Apple supply chain logistics) and others aren't even aware of the issue and pass it off as expected.

It would be an interesting study to get queuing theory people, lean experts, or some such qualified group to look into public construction and maintenance projects to simulate and analyze optimal vs. actual. No question this would be very hard to do because unions hate this kind of thing and people don't like being measured over their shoulders and the basic implication that they're "lazy" or inefficient or whatever. (it's hard to measure and improve worker output while actually making the worker happier too because there tends to be a Stanford Prison Experiment vibe where you get managers nitpicking lunch breaks and the basic pleasantries of working instead of bulk errors like allocating skill sets)

Re:Why New York City Stopped Building Subways (2018) by Symbiote on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:17AM (#21178268)
You may be surprised, but much work on British railway lines is done by private companies contracted by the government, and overseen by a public agency. There are several companies that compete for the work.

It could be fairly straightforward to compare the efficiency of the same task in both countries.

Re:Why New York City Stopped Building Subways (2018) by dsfyu404ed on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:04AM (#21179437)
>but in many cases there may be a series of tasks, dependent on each other, some of which require a lot of laborers and some that don't.

You say that as though the policies and procedures by which worn is done haven't intentionally been made inefficient to create work for the workers.

I once sat on a train for 3hr waiting for a railroad employee to show up with a chainsaw and cut a downed tree of the track. There was another employee in a service truck equipped for brush clearing a couple miles away at the station waiting for his wife who was stuck on the same train. He couldn't clock in and deal with the downed tree, because rules. This story is fairly well known among people who ride that rail line so some here may recognize it.