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Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by blue_devil on Sunday October 06, 2019 @08:21AM (#21171590)
>>stop moving blame from yourself to others.

I don't drive though.

This article argues for preventing deaths, not litigating them. What's the use of assigning blame after the fact?

You cannot force people to be more perfect than they are (or want to be). You can "nudge" the right outcome by shaping the environment.

If you google "chicanes in London", you'll see how people's behaviour can be shaped, regardless of their personality. _That_ is what you want, to ensure people's safety.

Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by maxaf on Sunday October 06, 2019 @08:45AM (#21171694)
If people can be nudged by street design or transparent B-pillars, they can also be nudged by heavy penalties that are commensurate with the deed.
Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by chongli on Sunday October 06, 2019 @11:56AM (#21172784)
This would only work if the penalties were enforced a very large percentage of the time someone did something unsafe, regardless of the outcome. Humans respond to light punishments consistently applied far better than harsh punishments rarely applied.

It would be far more effective if you applied a $5 fine every time a person looked at their phone screen while driving than if you instituted the death penalty which applied only when a distracted driver kills a pedestrian.

Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by piptastic on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:09AM (#21171793)
Which is why there are no murders in states with a death penalty.
Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by greggman2 on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:41AM (#21171945)
It seems like you're effectively saying MADD didn't work. Drunk driving never became less than it was in the late 1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothers_Against_Drunk_Driving

The claim they lowered drunk driving deaths by 1/2. I have no easy way to verify that but if true it certainly suggests people's behavior can be changed

Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by chongli on Sunday October 06, 2019 @12:02PM (#21172814)
I don't know about your area, but where I live the police set up checkpoints along common routes home from popular bars/restaurants to catch drunk drivers. Drunk drivers get caught extremely often and many of them lose their licence for long periods of time.

This does not discourage drunk driving as much as you would think. It does remove a lot of the drunk drivers from the road by force, however.

Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by beerandt on Sunday October 06, 2019 @08:27PM (#21176192)
MADD only worked in the sense that it made some mothers feel somewhat absolved of whatever guilt they felt for losing a child. Their statistical claims are quite ridiculous, though.

Edit: Claiming credit moreso than flawed statistics, although both are highly questionable.

Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by scottlocklin on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:48AM (#21172364)
Enforcement works in societies which actually enforce their laws. Try finding weed in Singapore for example.
Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by edoceo on Sunday October 06, 2019 @01:57PM (#21173630)
Do NOT try to get weed there.
Re:Why are cars killing more pedestrians? by eth0up on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:56AM (#21172432)
You probably could, however, find hordes of repressed maniacs and neurotics discouraged enough by it to hesitate a bit. At least if you could keep them out of motor vehicles ;)