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Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by sverige on Friday October 04, 2019 @04:45PM (#21161733)
Security isn't as important as performance.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by sachdevap on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:06PM (#21161892)
Is this a serious comment? I'm genuinely uncertain whether you mean this seriously.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by badsectoracula on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:48PM (#21162191)
Not the person you asked that, but yeah, personally i also find performance more important than security for my personal computer. The chances of me being attacked are practically zero (theoretical attacks do not count, most of these security issues you read focus on the possibility and totally ignore probability) while the chances of me wanting my computer to be faster are 100%. I hate waiting for my computer to do things.

Note BTW that there is a difference between "i find performance more important" and "i do not care about security at all". I do care about security, but i am not willing to sacrifice my computer's performance for it. I simply consider performance more important.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by holy_city on Friday October 04, 2019 @06:59PM (#21162594)
>the chances of me being attacked are practically zero

That's because the OS developers have placed value on security over performance. Whooping cough is rare too, we still vaccinate against it.

If you want a classic example, bounds checking an array is important to avoid RCE and sandbox escape attempts. It can also have a hefty performance penalty, under some scenarios it trashes the branch predictor/instruction pipeline. But I'm glad that my browser isn't as fast as machine-ly possible when streaming video, because I'd prefer if there wasn't a risk of having my emails from various banks, stored passwords in the browser, etc from being collected and sent to a bad actor.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by badsectoracula on Saturday October 05, 2019 @05:01AM (#21164490)
> That's because the OS developers have placed value on security over performance.

No, that is mainly because nobody knows nor cares about me personally.

As for your example, i already addressed it with that last part in my message:

> Note BTW that there is a difference between "i find performance more important" and "i do not care about security at all". I do care about security, but i am not willing to sacrifice my computer's performance for it. I simply consider performance more important.

The browser is a case where i'd accept less performance for better security because it is the primary way where things can get into my computer outside of my control. However that doesn't mean i'd accept less performance in, e.g., my image editor, 3d renderer, video encoder or whatever else.

In other words, i want my computer to be reasonably secure, just not at all costs.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by monocasa on Saturday October 05, 2019 @04:09PM (#21167637)
> No, that is mainly because nobody knows nor cares about me personally.

I mean, they do care about you. I assume you have a bank account, or personal information that can be used to open a credit card under your name?

> However that doesn't mean i'd accept less performance in, e.g., my image editor, 3d renderer, video encoder or whatever else.

Most of that is specifically designed with security in mind. For instance the GPU has it's own MMU so you can't use it to break the boundaries between user mode and kernel mode.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by badsectoracula on Saturday October 05, 2019 @04:42PM (#21167816)
> I mean, they do care about you. I assume you have a bank account, or personal information that can be used to open a credit card under your name?

That is not caring about me though. Honestly at that point you are spreading the same sort of hand-wavy FUD that is used to take away user control "because security".

> Most of that is specifically designed with security in mind. For instance the GPU has it's own MMU so you can't use it to break the boundaries between user mode and kernel mode.

Again, i'm not talking about not having security at all.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by monocasa on Saturday October 05, 2019 @07:12PM (#21168601)
> That is not caring about me though. Honestly at that point you are spreading the same sort of hand-wavy FUD that is used to take away user control "because security".

I legitimately don't understand your argument here. Do you not lock your car? A opportunistic car thief doesn't have to "care about you", and going through the process of unlocking your car could slow you down.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by badsectoracula on Sunday October 06, 2019 @12:03PM (#21172830)
Those comparisons miss important details so they aren't helpful - and also i do not have a car. Though if you want a comparison that does apply to me - i lock my apartment's door, though i do not bother with installing a metal door and window bars despite knowing how easy the door would be to break for someone who insists in entering my place as the chances of this happening are simply not worth the cost.

I already repeated that several times, i'm not sure how else to convey it: i care about security (lock my door), but it isn't at the top of my priorities (do not have a metal door and window bars).

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by monocasa on Sunday October 06, 2019 @12:36PM (#21173049)
The problem is you're speaking in metaphors. Which security is getting in your way that you can't trivially disable?
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by TheOtherDave on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:23PM (#21162032)
It kinda depends on the context. If your machine isn’t on the internet and is dedicated to running like a large computational fluid dynamics simulation or something, security isn’t as much of an issue because there is no untrusted code running on the machine and there’s no way for hackers to access it. If your machine is Google’s public DNS server, security is critical.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by sachdevap on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:26PM (#21162050)
> If your machine isn’t on the internet

I don't think there are many such machines anymore. I am not seeing this as a common case at all. And in the present context of the Linux memory controller, they would never sacrifice general kernel security for performance.

Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by snovv_crash on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:49PM (#21162202)
Outside of your bubble they are pretty relevant. Hell, the biggest computers in the work generally run Linux without an internet connection.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by imhoguy on Saturday October 05, 2019 @02:55AM (#21164172)
And they are usually LAN connected thus Stuxnet-like worm infected laptop can still cause a damage. Security is always important.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by sachdevap on Friday October 04, 2019 @06:56PM (#21162577)
Fun of you to assume my bubble. What are these biggest computers that you refer to that are not connected to the internet?
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by snovv_crash on Sunday October 06, 2019 @03:35PM (#21174474)
Scientific supercomputers used for academic and industry needs. Eg. weather prediction, CFD and FEM simulations, image processing, deep learning, and much more.
Re:A new Linux memory controller promises to save lots of RAM by sverige on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:15PM (#21162982)
When I'm concerned about security, I run an OS that is not Linux. When there's nothing critical on a system (from a security perspective), I run Linux. Why would I care if someone hacks my machine and gets my browsing history? Half the companies in SV already have it.