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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Friday October 04, 2019 @04:01PM (#21161358)
You can side load Apps into Android and install competing stores all day long. The objection I have is that Google doesn't let you delegate that authority, it's either "Let Google Manage It" or "Let everyone do whatever the hell they want".
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by gruez on Friday October 04, 2019 @04:25PM (#21161584)
>The objection I have is that Google doesn't let you delegate that authority, it's either "Let Google Manage It" or "Let everyone do whatever the hell they want".

What do you mean? After android 7 or 8, the "install unknown apps" permission was per-app rather than being a global setting[1]. That means you can allow f-droid to install apps but not your weather app. The only difference is that third party apps can't install apps "silently" (you have to manually confirm each install/update through a system dialog).

[1] random image result: https://media.kasperskydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92...

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by bubblethink on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:09PM (#21161919)
That is better, but not ideal. You don't have a way to trust developer keys independently. What's the point of trusting Chrome if everything can be installed through Chrome?
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:27PM (#21162060)
I could see that being valuable if it's a Store like Steam or Amazon. It's not any worse than Google Play right?
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by bubblethink on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:49PM (#21162200)
Yes, trusting a store like fdroid is the ideal case. However, most uninformed users would come across an apk file on their browser, trust Chrome, and then Chrome will happily install anything.
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by Faark on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:25PM (#21163025)
The sad part is users being trained to just click away those warnings. Installing one of the few big & trusted third party stores should not require me to go through the same warnings as getting an APK from some random third party page. Though obviously Google won't be willing to grant that much control to a third party, even if revocable.
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Saturday October 05, 2019 @09:18AM (#21165321)
> Installing one of the few big & trusted third party stores should not require me to go through the same warnings as getting an APK from some random third party page.

Honestly I think there should be a distinction between normal permissions and permissions required to install other APKs.

AND I think it should be more cumbersome to install an APK that wants permission to install other APKs.

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by ShinTakuya on Friday October 04, 2019 @07:58PM (#21162904)
Not much different to installing things on a desktop OS.
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by bubblethink on Friday October 04, 2019 @10:10PM (#21163404)
If you mean windows, perhaps to an extent. On linux though, it is straightforward to do fine grained management of gpg keys for repos/ppas etc. Essentially, from the end user's standpoint, what you want chrome to ask you is "Do you trust developer Foo for the app Bar?", not "Do you trust chrome to install software?"
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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by Youden on Saturday October 05, 2019 @05:39AM (#21164635)
> The only difference is that third party apps can't install apps "silently" (you have to manually confirm each install/update through a system dialog).

That's a huge difference. Try downloading and maintaining apps installed with F-Droid on a device where it doesn't have system privileges. It's a massive pain in the butt.

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:28PM (#21162070)
> After android 7 or 8

That's at most 30% of devices?

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by GeneralTspoon on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:42PM (#21162148)
7+ is over 50% of devices: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards

And will eventually be all/most devices.

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:16PM (#21166310)
Yes, but we're not talking 7+, we're talking >7 which is very different.

I am on 7.1.1 and Allow Unknown Sources is still a global on/off toggle.

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by gruez on Friday October 04, 2019 @05:36PM (#21162120)
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards

38.7% (8+ only) or 57.9% (if you include 7)

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Re:Apple approves previously rejected HKMap.live app by cptskippy on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:23PM (#21166353)
He said after 7 or 8. That excludes 7 and possibly 8.

I have a 7.1.1 device and can confirm they have the global toggle still.

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