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Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by Merrill on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:21AM (#21156857)
I don't recall the use of masks being prevalent during either the anti-Vietnam War demonstrations or the Civil Rights demonstrations of the '50s and '60s.

The adoption of masks is probably driven by the digital imaging chip and the ubiquity of digital photos and videos. If the police don't image you, your friends and the media probably will.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by taneq on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:29AM (#21156944)
I've seen multiple reports during the current round of Hong Kong riots of China sympathizers aggressively filming the faces of protesters. The whole "we'll get a photo of you protesting and then deal with you later" thing is a central theme in these protests.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by Merrill on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:34AM (#21156977)
So imaging technology can be used to facilitate inter-group conflict as well as governmental oppression.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by ackbar03 on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:42AM (#21157033)
Aggressively filming protestors? Are you sure?

https://video.h5.weibo.cn/1034:4423697482642911/442369763922...

I really don't understand why hackernews is so extremely one-sided on this issue.

Edit: yeah there we go, down voted immediately.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by Merrill on Friday October 04, 2019 @04:33PM (#21161650)
JPMorgan to boost security after employee punched by Hong Kong protester as tensions run high

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3031642/jpmo...

>The employee, who was not identified in a JPMorgan memo about the incident, was surrounded on Friday afternoon by photographers as well as protesters shouting “Go back to the mainland!” The banker spoke in Mandarin, at one point responding, “We are all Chinese.” As he made his way into the building lobby, one protester hit him in the face, knocking his eyeglasses off, according to a video circulated on social media. It is not clear from the video what sparked the altercation, and there is no indication it was connected to his employer.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by muxator on Friday October 04, 2019 @09:20AM (#21157345)
Can someone please give some context on that video? Who's the boy? What is everyone doing? The video is creepy.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by ackbar03 on Friday October 04, 2019 @09:41AM (#21157541)
As bakuninsbart says above, yes. These are the "journalists" that produce most of the news you see regarding the protests on the streets. Go search for more live feeds to seem more of these "journalists" in general being a nuisance and aggressively filming the police to catch and report of every single mis-step. Trust me, its not the protestors that are aggressively being filmed.

And to add more context in an unbiased way. Man in white is white collar worker in central district. I don't know if he's done anything to provoke protesters as pretext.

"journalists" being a general nuisance, possibly trying to provoke him. He says something inaudible, something like "are you a journalist" or "what are you reporting on" or generally along the lines of wtf are you doing.

Journalist starts taunting him, saying he can't understand him. He leaves for the office with people swearing and shouting profanity. He turns around and says "we are all chinese people". More swearing. Some "journalist" closes the door and prevents him from entering. Some masked guy comes out of know where to hit him. Granted he wasn't looking to do serious damage but still a dick move and uncalled for. The guy goes in and someone throws an umbrella at his head. Journalists rush after him after pausing for a while probably because they don't know what else to do.

Glorious isn't it

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by verall on Friday October 04, 2019 @12:30PM (#21159273)
>Trust me

Do you attend the protests and view these or other activities yourself? Or just reporting on Twitter?

Journalists are helping keep everyone safe, by filming, which discourages most from violence, on both sides. They film both police and protestors.

Just do understand that for many HKers, they believe this is a fight where losing means what happens to Uighurs and Tibetans happens to them.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by Angostura on Friday October 04, 2019 @10:11AM (#21157870)
I think you;ll probably need to post some links to these streams so that we can assess them.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by bakuninsbart on Friday October 04, 2019 @09:32AM (#21157462)
My chinese is really terrible, the one guy in the beginning is making fun of white shirt for his accent. He's from the mainland. I don't know the rest of the context, but there have been a lot of racist attacks from the protesters lately, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was his only crime. The "journalists" are all filming him while a protester beats him up and another "journalist" makes sure he and the woman can't enter the building.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by hktruth on Friday October 04, 2019 @02:33PM (#21160504)
Also if you understand Cantonese, in many videos, you can see and hear the protestors shout "stop filming" and "open umbrellas" to shield criminal acts from being filmed.
Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by bakuninsbart on Friday October 04, 2019 @09:35AM (#21157482)
I mean, the disgusting acts of protesters do not mean that the police isn't doing it, too. So there's a pretty huge flaw in your logic and I guess that is why you are getting downvoted.

Then again, I think this is one of the arguments why a ban on masks is pretty reasonable: There's real assholes hiding in the midst of the protesters who can get away with their crimes due to masks. It would btw. also make it harder for agent provocateur to stay disguised.

I do agree though that the reporting in the west has been very questionable.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by 290184091281 on Friday October 04, 2019 @10:42AM (#21158199)
They are trying to bury this unflattering video as much as possible, but there are plenty more where that came from:

https://bitbucket.org/TheCrypticMan/hong-kong-protests/wiki/...

Other examples:

Smashing small shops and restaurants, threatening the cowering staff inside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpmTSGSSjw

Menacing some fishmongers inside their shop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gACHVcOA1xc

What happened to a guy who yelled “Hong Kong add gas” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFwGqF3QlVc

Attacking an unconscious man https://twitter.com/SaveManMedia/status/1175578024332447744

Attacking a senior citizen who isn’t defending himself https://twitter.com/SaveManMedia/status/1175466827151040517

Most of these hundreds of incidents have not been covered by news media in the west. I suggest that everyone do their own research before jumping to conclusions.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by verall on Friday October 04, 2019 @12:19PM (#21159149)
Are you actually here or are you doing your own research based on Twitter? I agree with your point people should do their own research, but in the age of social media manipulation, I'm not sure social media will get you a clear picture.

If you are here, I recommend you go see them yourself. Wear not blue and not all black, and stay on the outskirts.

In my experience its very safe as an outsider, and I have seen no looting, which is nothing like American protests, where I am from.

Re:A brief history of government efforts to stop people from... by hktruth on Friday October 04, 2019 @02:36PM (#21160545)
Social media can be manipulated, but without it, would not see videos like this one:

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1180131706994491392

Showing students in their own lecture halls and classrooms being screamed at and bullied by black clad "protestors" (these days behaving more like cultural revolution Maoists).