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Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by HarryHirsch on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:13PM (#21150053)
Can we have proper building standards first? Right now, the level of noise insulation in the US is abysmal, consequently no one will move into a multiplex unless they absolutely have to. That's why the perception that multiplexes attract undesirables is actually justified, and no one wants them and their externalities in their neighbourhood of single-family housing.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by javagram on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:22PM (#21150188)
I live in a concrete high rise and I don’t really notice any noise from my neighbors (the street noise is much, much worse as emergency sirens pierce even double-pane windows).

There are also plenty of multiplex designs that have good noise insulation.

In reality people do want to live in them which is why zoning laws are used to prevent them from being built. If people refused to live there, there would be no need for zoning as developers wouldn’t build homes people don’t live in.

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:39PM (#21150449)
Me too. However, everywhere I've lived previously has been awful with neighbor noise. Duplexes are less likely to sound like our giant concrete quiet buildings and more likely to sound like my old noisy as hell places.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by abledon on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:34PM (#21151113)
I lived in an apartment in Montreal where the guy below me would invite hookers over, snort coke and get strangled, you could hear him getting chocked and the crack pipe being 'tink tinked' beforehand, then the high heels walking out of his den at 0230 in the morning lol. Noise insulation is very important!
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by wtvanhest on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:17PM (#21150116)
Requiring noise insulation would drive the cost up. A better option would be to have optional noise mitigation measurements done in a cheap way so that buildings could certify for a given level of noise transmission between units.

You would have each unit certified as either A, B or C. C being nearly no noise insulation, A being very quiet.

Let the market decide what they want to pay for.

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by romwell on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:42PM (#21150495)
>Requiring noise insulation would drive the cost up

As if construction costs were the primary factor in determining the cost of real estate in places with housing crisis problems (like the Bay Area).

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by zamfi on Thursday October 03, 2019 @10:53PM (#21154402)
Construction costs are very high in the Bay Area, and it is one component that holds back the construction of ADUs (in-law units) wchi hostage requires cities to support.

Of course, then you’d ask, well why are construction costs so high in the Bay Area? And you might hear something about earthquakes, insulation, whatever. But the real reason is that contractors and construction workers need to live here too, and living here is damn expensive!

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by MisterBastahrd on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:47PM (#21150571)
Requiring noise insulation will drive down the cost of noise insulation.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by frosted-flakes on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:27PM (#21151037)
Noise insulation isn't a type of material, it's a construction method. Hanging drywall on resilient channel, staggering 2x4 studs on 2x6 bottom and top plates and weaving insulation between them, solid doors, and dual/triple pane windows are all examples of this.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by bradstewart on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:59PM (#21150718)
Assuming there's multiple, competitive producers of noise insulation.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by nullc on Friday October 04, 2019 @04:28AM (#21155834)
> Let the market decide what they want to pay for.

You're making an assumption that noise insulation is particularly subject to the market. Unfortunately noise 'insulation' like other insulation is extremely sensitive to competence in instiallation and maintenance.

Because it isn't particularly easy to gauge when shopping I don't believe that it is... and in markets where there are more prospective renters than units, it especially isn't.

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by wtvanhest on Friday October 04, 2019 @02:31PM (#21160493)
Agreed with everything you said... which is why I said we need a rating system based on the actual noise dampening, not on materials used.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by wishinghand on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:30PM (#21150321)
It'd also mean the poor would never have peace and quiet.
Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by davidw on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:37PM (#21150415)
A roof over your head beats no roof at all, by a long shot.

And for some people, it beats a 3 hour commute. People should be free to choose what they prefer as long as it's safe.

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by fzeroracer on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:33PM (#21150351)
The market has already decided that any noise insulation is too much of a cost. That's why there's a bunch of incredibly cheap apartment complexes springing up around Austin with the bare minimum of effort.

And since housing is a zero sum game the market is already rigged in favor of landlords. People generally don't have as much choice where to live when you start considering school access, public transit, commute and so forth. Relying on the market to solve housing will simply result in miniature SFs popping up over the US, just like what's happening to Austin.

Re:Report: Young adults more likely to live with parents tha... by HarryHirsch on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:33PM (#21150364)
With no minimum standards there's a neverending race to the bottom. People need to sleep.