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Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by saghm on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @05:39PM (#21141039)
This is probably a really silly question, but how do astronomers and the like define "west" in this case? I assume it must be useful to have some sort of reference orientation for the galaxy, but how is it defined?
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by ianburrell on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @05:55PM (#21141184)
The directions are defined the same way as directions on the Earth or in the solar system using the right-hand rule to define north and east based on counter-clockwise rotation.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by spolster on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @06:54PM (#21141644)
West can be defined in terms of spin direction, but western ( as in hemisphere) requires a meridian to define the boundary. I'd have assumed that we'd have put Earth on the galactic meridian, much like the Brits put London on the terrestrial one.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by BurningFrog on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @10:19PM (#21142954)
I expect it goes through Greenwich, as always!
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by dotancohen on Thursday October 03, 2019 @01:46AM (#21144096)
You are correct, it is determined by spin. However, for some reason that has never been explained to me, we define galaxies to spin in the opposite direction from planets.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by Keysh on Thursday October 03, 2019 @04:57AM (#21144958)
We don't define galaxies in general to spin in the opposite direction.

Just the Milky Way.

(The reason for this seems to be that Galactic "North" was defined long before we had the data to determine which way the Milky Way rotated -- or even that it rotated. By the time the rotation was definitively determined, it was too late to override convention. This may go back to William Herschel deciding that the "north pole" of the Galaxy should be in the same hemisphere of the sky that the Earth's north pole pointed toward. In retrospect, he had a 50% chance of being right...)

Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by RangerScience on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:14AM (#21144498)
I never thought about this. Will most solar systems form roughly on the same plane as the galactic disk, and will they generally have orbits in the same or the opposite direction as the galactic rotation of their star?
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by Keysh on Thursday October 03, 2019 @05:01AM (#21144980)
It's basically random; the rotation of a solar system depends on the rotation of the gas clump that collapses to form the star and its system, and that depends on local details about the relative orientation of local gas clumps, the possible influence of winds from nearby massive stars and supernova shock waves, and general turbulent motions within molecular clouds.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by gmiller123456 on Thursday October 03, 2019 @01:16PM (#21149357)
It's not very random. The galaxy also formed from a clump of rotating gas, and this heavily influences the direction all of the sub-bodies will rotate and orbit. Systems influenced by other forces would be the exception to the norm.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by Keysh on Thursday October 03, 2019 @04:23PM (#21151715)
No, it is pretty random, just as the orbits of binary stars are randomly oriented. The scales of star and solar-system formation are much, much smaller than the scale of the galaxy, so the memory of the latter has been scrambled by all the intermediate and local processes.

From this Cornell "Ask an Astronomer" page (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/159-our-solar-syst...)

"The size of a solar system is so much smaller than the size of the Galaxy, that the Galaxy's structure has no impact on the orientation of a solar system. What determines their orientations is the direction of the angular momentum that the system had when it formed, and that's pretty much random."

Or take a look at these ALMA images of protoplanetary disks (solar systems in the making) around pre-main-sequence stars. All are at very similar distances, and most are at very similar positions relative to the Galactic plane, so they should all show very similar projected shapes and orientations if they followed the galaxy's orientation -- but they are all over the place.

https://www.eso.org/public/images/potw1904a/

Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by saghm on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @06:26PM (#21141445)
Ah, I forgot that the galaxy rotates as well. That definitely makes things a bit simpler.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by close04 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @06:31PM (#21141493)
It's a quote from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Only hit me at the very end of it... "digital watches are a pretty neat idea".
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by hanniabu on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @09:12PM (#21142604)
Okay, so once you have north, which way is east in a circle?
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by ajuc on Thursday October 03, 2019 @04:11AM (#21144756)
East on Earth is the direction in which we rotate. Should be the same for a galaxy.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by hanniabu on Thursday October 03, 2019 @10:06AM (#21147075)
That's because earth can be viewed as a plane. The galaxy can't, you need a median.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by ajuc on Thursday October 03, 2019 @10:12AM (#21147148)
1. Milky Way is much more like a plane than Earth

2. it doesn't matter anyway any object which rotates can have direction named basing on that rotation

Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by tiborsaas on Thursday October 03, 2019 @04:28AM (#21144832)
They use giant supercomputers to do simulations which results in these counter intuitive answers. The trick is to ask the right question.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by taneq on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:45AM (#21144366)
It's more like spinwards and widdershins, really.
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by Razengan on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:19AM (#21144516)
Spinwise/turnwise, and rimwards :)
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by leemailll on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @10:32PM (#21143013)
You can try Polaris
Re:Where Is the Sun Located in the Milky Way? by andrewflnr on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @11:51PM (#21143475)
They don't, AFAIK. You can only get away with it if you're writing exceptionally goofy science fiction.