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Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by wastedhours on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:06AM (#21123415)
> you can't deny that Johnson is much smarter than he wants us to think.

In playing the political game at least, definitely so. Lots of reports from coworkers (especially from the Foreign Office) that he is genuinely as clueless as he comes across when it comes to other elements of his job.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by verbify on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:27AM (#21123542)
The news story that really made me believe that the bumbling fool shtick is real and not just an act was when he went to a buddhist temple in Myanmar and started reciting a colonial-era Kipling poem about a British soldier reminiscing about a Burmese girl that he kissed - until the ambassador intervened and told him it wasn't appropriate.

If he understood the context of the poem (a lack of sensitivity to the three wars the British fought to suppress Burmese independence) then he would've never recited the poem. But he is a 'well-trained idiot' - he's had an English classical education, so he knows Kipling, but he doesn't understand what it actually _means_ ('oh yeah, I totally was going to shag a girl when we were fighting in Burma') or how it would come across to someone who wasn't also from a classically trained English background.

So I think he is a clueless bumbling idiot. He, and Jacobs Rees-Moggs, are the British equivalent of a Texan politician who wears a cowboy hat and talks about their guns all the time.

The story is available here - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johns...

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by pytester on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:10AM (#21125476)
Precisely. The Boris Johnson who is acting off the cuff - reciting the myanmar poem or acting like a moron in portugal - is the real Boris Johnson. The Boris Johnson who uses "SEO tactics" has been programmed by advisors.

Portugal: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson...

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by drcongo on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:58AM (#21123710)
> If he understood the context of the poem (a lack of sensitivity to the three wars the British fought to suppress Burmese independence) then he would've never recited the poem.

That's exactly why he did it. He's a nasty, vindictive, racist colonialist.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by verbify on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:20AM (#21123816)
I'm not saying he's not racist/colonialist. You only have to read his article about 'flag-waving piccaninnies... tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief...' https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3571742/If.... Or his argument that Obama hated the UK because he was Kenyan and had an 'ancestral dislike of the British empire'. Or any of the other dozens examples.

I'm just saying that if he's as smart as people claim, if the whole bumbling idiot is a calculated act, then there's not much to benefit from idiotically reciting that poem, it's not like there's some vast constituency in the British public who love The Road to Mandalay. It's an obscure reference, most British people have never heard of the poem... He seemed genuinely surprised that he shouldn't recite the poem.

I think the bumbling idiot thing is genuine. That doesn't also exclude him from being a nasty vindictive racist colonialist.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by pasabagi on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:41PM (#21129695)
I have a weird sort of in on this, in that my grandparents are exactly the kind of people who love The Road to Mandalay. I think the clever thing about reciting a poem like that is it appeals to a broad spectrum of conservative voters: the low-end, who will enjoy the thumb in the eye of 'political correctness', the mid-level, who feel like the british empire was good, then the 'intellectuals' (like my grandparents), who are very fond of poetry and Kipling, and like to think of themselves as more intelligent and refined than their proletariat opposition.

The nice thing about it, is it's a spectrum. If you're in the conservative-intellectual bracket, you still probably enjoy the provocation of the politically correct, and the imperial nostalgia stuff. If you're in the conservative-middle-brow bracket, you still feel good about the fact that your racism is being associated with Great British poetry.

I don't think he's a genius, or that he's playing fifth-dimensional chess, or something. I think it's just an advantage of this whole bumbling persona - that he can go to events like this and basically do what he wants. So when he thinks up some kind of stunt - like reciting a colonialist poem, or getting stuck on a rope, or whatever - he can go ahead with it, because it fits with his image. That gives him a whole range of communicative strategies most politicians don't have. What he actually communicates (the blend of dogwhistle racism and attention-seeking) is actually pretty normal.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by dajomu on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:14AM (#21125518)
Isn't it much the same thing as Trump saying something racist that he can kind of get away with? Johnson can say it, incite some anger in people who won't vote for him anyway, get his name on the news again and appeal to his base. Many of his supporters are the kinds of people that want to "Make Britain Great Again". There isn't a vast constituency in Britain who love the poem, but there is a vast constituency who are mildly racist and look back to the "good old days".
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by ridewinter on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @01:23PM (#21128010)
Yes, Churchill said plenty of stuff that was racist/misogamist even back in those days. Bojo models himself after him. Btw I'm a big Churchill fan in spite of all that. The flawed hero.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by fiala__ on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:53AM (#21123684)
"A Well-trained Idiot" describes the British Etonian elite so concisely I think it should become a technical term. Well done.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by verbify on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:22AM (#21123824)
I've borrowed it from someone else (who was actually educated in Oxford, but not Eton), wish it were my own though.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by noir_lord on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @07:47AM (#21124260)
For centuries a posh accent and certainty was enough for the class that ruled the UK.

One thing Brexit has successfully done is illustrate to all sides just how mediocre our leadership actually is.

Mediocre leaders are fine when the ship is sailing in calm waters to a known destination.

At the moment it feels like half of them want to steer into the iceberg and the other half want to abandon ship, with a few lone voices pointing out we could have just turned to port and swerved it.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by all2 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @01:20PM (#21127970)
It'll take an existential threat (war?) to sort the wheat from the chaff. Typically the best and brightest of a country trickle to the top when duty finally calls.

Though, there are opportunists. Like Mao. Or Hitler.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by pjc50 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:51AM (#21124749)
But offending the locals doesn't matter to him. He's playing to the British right-wing audience, who then get to complain about "political correctness".

> British equivalent of a Texan politician who wears a cowboy hat and talks about their guns all the time.

Exactly. Pander to the prejudices of your voters.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by jdietrich on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @01:16PM (#21127925)
"You can't rule out the possibility that beneath the elaborately-constructed veneer of a blithering idiot there lurks a blithering idiot" - Boris Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoifaIEvC0Q

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by gutta-percha on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:54AM (#21134506)
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by verbify on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @05:04AM (#21134556)
I've read that story. I understand that his clownish behaviour is a performance - it's more the gaffes that I don't think are calculated.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by hdfbdtbcdg on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:22AM (#21125597)
I always assumed that that was a dog whistle to that large part of British society that wants the empire back.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by peteretep on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @07:55AM (#21124311)
He got a scholarship to Eton and then one to Oxford. They don’t give those out with the papers, even to rich kids. We can say he is very bright without any qualification.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by wastedhours on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:52AM (#21125293)
We can say he leveraged his privilege well, and I think that's different than offering someone blanket praise of being "bright".

And again, I'm not necessarily making judgement on his academic credentials - I made the point about his jobs. Of which a classical education is evidently rather worthless. With the exception of being a player of politics and narratives.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by peteretep on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:27PM (#21132346)
> I made the point about his jobs

The guy who was editor of the Spectator, and a wildly successful columnist and speaker?

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by naravara on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @11:01AM (#21126031)
Being a gifted student as a kid doesn't necessarily translate into being an intelligent or wise adult. If you don't cultivate it properly then it either goes to waste or gets spent on stupid or petty nonsense, like the attention whoring Boris Johnson seems addicted to.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by rusk on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:08AM (#21123432)
Indeed, he is completely unproven in any matters of statecraft and has been founding wanting in actual matters of substance on many occasions.
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by ncmncm on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:49AM (#21124728)
Perhaps you and he disagree about the nature of his job.

He seems to be doing well at his version. He is just not doing what you (and many others, but not enough) wish he were doing.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by wastedhours on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:49AM (#21125266)
I'm not even getting into Brexit, if you look at the comments made by senior diplomats when he worked at the Foreign Office (along with the very obvious gaffs including getting a British woman an extended sentence in Iran...) which has a reasonably clear remit.

His front-bench roles even before becoming PM, and his previous roles, where he was fired from being a journalist for lying, for example, show he's just bad at anything other than playing the political game. And even then, you look at the advisers he has around him in order to be adept at even that.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by ncmncm on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:21PM (#21129473)
Yes, he does terribly when he doesn't get to define his own job responsibilities. At those, he frequently needed to fall back on his blueblood heritage.

Where he is now, his job (as he or his backers define it) appears to be to distract the voting public from unpleasant facts. He has proven very, very good at changing the public subject.

He has the complicity of the UK news media, much as W had in the US. The long-term takeover of the media by a tiny handful of right-wing extremists is proceeding smoothly worldwide, with concomittent benefits for their chosen spokesmouths.

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by joncrane on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @11:49AM (#21126731)
This means he's also meta-smart. He focuses his limited mental energy on the things that lead to success in the areas he wants (he's been elected PM, that's the peak of success by any measure). The fact that he has gotten away with being "dumb" on some details is a fault of the system.

Same goes for the USA POTUS. At some point you have to say "don't hate the player, hate the game."

Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by mendelmaleh on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @11:19PM (#21133187)
the United States of America President of the United States?
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by rjf72 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:58AM (#21125365)
When a coworker chooses to negatively gossip to the media about somebody, and the media finds it click-worthy, do you think this is going to be a characteristic and unsampled bias of that person or other's perception of them?
Re:Boris Johnson uses search terms in interviews to hide neg... by wastedhours on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:12AM (#21125494)
True, if that were a one-off occurrence done under the guise of an anonymous or worthless tip-off from someone with an axe to grind.

When it's dozens of former colleagues, all calling someone out on their BS over the course of years, regarding unrelated incidents, and where a number of those incidents actually occurred in the public eye?

There's data points and a trend line...