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Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by throw0101a on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:01AM (#21114314)
> Shipping is a pretty dirty industry, because of fuel quality ...

You're not wrong, but no one else is/was using bunker fuel, so might as well burn it, as what else can it be used for? Can it be processed into anything more useful?

(The IMO 2020 mandate may help clean things up.)

> Bear in mind that shipping is also the most energy efficient form of bulk transportation (vs land or air).

I was under the impression that rail transport was. Is that not correct?

Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by erdgdsgbdfsg on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:41AM (#21115220)
No, shipping is the most efficient.

Not only are drag loses comparatively small, those two stroke diesels are crazy efficient from a thermodynamic point of view (massive, slow, and high compression ratio -> crazy efficiency).

Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by i_am_proteus on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:46AM (#21115258)
It's so efficient that barge transport is still preferred to rail where a navigable river is available.
Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by linuxftw on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:42PM (#21117813)
It's efficient in the sense that if you compare kgs of goods per km, but it's not efficient when you consider the great distances ships travel versus producing goods domestically, just to put those same goods on rail and trucks anyway.
Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by flyingfences on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:40PM (#21119471)
If you consider the efficiency of shipping finished goods versus shipping the raw material (and, possibly, labor) necessary to produce the goods domestically, how does that affect the comparison?
Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by linuxftw on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:37AM (#21124639)
This statement seems to assume the same shipping of raw materials isn't taking place elsewhere.

Ore goes from the mine, to the forge, the raw steel goes to the manufacturer. That probably requires a bit of shipping, doesn't matter which country it takes place in.

Re:Ships fitted with ‘cheat devices’ to divert poisonous pol... by dspillett on Monday September 30, 2019 @10:00AM (#21115411)
> > Bear in mind that shipping is also the most energy efficient form of bulk transportation (vs land or air).

> I was under the impression that rail transport was. Is that not correct?

It may depend a lot on distance and modernity of rail tech, and also the availability of direct land routes.