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Re:SAT Scores Fall as More Students Take the Test by tombert on Thursday September 26, 2019 @10:25AM (#21081142)
> Citation? All countries have a mix of wealthy, educated students, working class students, students whose parents are drug addicts, immigrants who don't speak the local language, etc. In my experience the US isn't that different from other wealthy countries I've lived in.

If you look at [0], It looks like the parent is right.

> However, the PISA’s results are drastically over simplified. For instance, as noted in a report by Dr. Martin Carnoy of Stanford and Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute, American students actually perform better than the much higher ranked Finland in algebra in general, but worse in fractions. More importantly, when you normalize the results between the countries, adjusting for the relative poverty of the students taking the PISA tests, the U.S performs significantly better, ranking 6th in reading and 13th in mathematics, a drastic jump in both categories.

> Dr. Carnoy and Rothstein further note in their report What Do International Tests Really Show About U.S. Student Performance? that when you divide the kids based on family wealth, the actual gap in performance isn’t so stark between any country, with a not insignificant portion of the ultimate ranking of each nation being based on how many impoverished vs. middle class vs. wealthy students are taking the tests.

[0] http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/01/kids-get-sum...

Re:SAT Scores Fall as More Students Take the Test by thaumasiotes on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:33PM (#21085224)
> when you normalize the results between the countries, adjusting for the relative poverty of the students taking the PISA tests, the U.S performs significantly better, ranking 6th in reading and 13th in mathematics, a drastic jump in both categories.

We're doing better than that. When you break the results down by race, the US generally ranks second or first. (US whites do better than whites in Europe; US asians do better than asians in Asia, US blacks do better than blacks in the few countries with a large black population that aren't afraid to take these tests in the first place...)

Re:SAT Scores Fall as More Students Take the Test by tombert on Thursday September 26, 2019 @05:22PM (#21085684)
Would you mind providing a citation for that? I've genuinely never heard that.
Re:SAT Scores Fall as More Students Take the Test by thaumasiotes on Thursday September 26, 2019 @05:43PM (#21085886)
2012, reading: https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/pisa-reading-scores-by-r...

2012, reading/science/math reported separately: https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-in...

2015, average of reading/science/math: http://www.unz.com/isteve/2015-pisa-mean-scores-in-perspecti...

This is not the stuff of an "educational crisis".