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Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by VonGuard on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:18PM (#21072871)
Seems like this https://phys.org/news/2005-09-world-built-in-wi-fi-enabled-d.... invalidates the patent.

Nikonn CoolPix had wifi support in 2005. I'd imagine if you could select specific pictures to upload wherever from the device, that's the whole patent claim invalidated by 4 years. Hell, this article even references a device that Nikon offered to wirelessly transmit images as early as 2003. Find one of these, bring it to the law firm defending Gnome and that should invalidate the patent.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by bstrong on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:36PM (#21073767)
I built a service around 2005 that did realtime photo sync and sharing from mobile devices. Here's a demo video from 2007 (the most relevant part is around 6:45):

https://connectedsocialmedia.com/1163/sharpcast-demo-brings-...

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by payne92 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:13PM (#21075548)
That's a good start, but there's more to claim 1:

...filter the plurality of photographic images using a transfer criteria wherein the transfer criteria is a subject identification of a respective photographic image within the plurality of photographic images, wherein the subject identification is based on a topic, theme or individual shown in the respective photographic image; and transmit, via the wireless transmitter and to a second mobile device, the filtered plurality of photographic images.

Invaliding prior art has to cover every single thing in the claim. (And my hunch is that it's out there).

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by colonwqbang on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:59PM (#21076040)
Based on my understanding, the patent still needs to represent an "inventive step" from the prior art. Let's say you can show that

A. Classifying images based on a (pre-existing?) identification; B. Filtering images based on classification; C. Wirelessly transmitting images

were all known at the time. Then you could argue that a "person having ordinary skill in the art" would have known to combine A+B+C to solve the problem. Thus the prior art teaches the invention and the patent should be declared invalid.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by pkilgore on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:01AM (#21080511)
This isn't wrong. But it's oversimplified and in practice in the US obviousness arguments have a low likelihood of success, lower if it gets too a jury trial.

You are much better off defending again infringement suits with novelty arguments.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by amelius on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:49PM (#21075932)
Perhaps some NASA software does this, considering the cost of sending each and every image?
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by GoblinSlayer on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:27AM (#21080264)
Shouldn't infringement match all claims too? SQL did filtering using transfer criteria 45 years ago.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by mrandish on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:49PM (#21073910)
Unfortunately, the Nikon CoolPix would not serve as prior art because it does not appear to have these two elements of the patent.

filtering the plurality of photographic images using a transfer criteria wherein the transfer criteria is a subject identification of a respective photographic image within the plurality of photographic images,

wherein the subject identification is based on a topic, theme or individual shown in the respective photographic image;

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by leereeves on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:16PM (#21074246)
That sounds patenting facial recognition (among other things). Not a method for facial recognition, but the very idea of doing facial recognition.

The patent system is so broken. It's as if drug companies, instead of patenting a specific treatment for cancer, were able to patent "treating cancer".

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by zaroth on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:00PM (#21076059)
It’s not patenting facial recognition. It’s patenting the specific use case of identifying a subset of images to transfer over the wireless link based on the subject of the image.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by leereeves on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:23PM (#21076242)
Sorry, it seems I forgot to put the word "like" in there, as in similar to.

I understand it's not patenting facial recognition in general, just in the specific case of using facial rec or other techniques (which the lawyers called transfer criteria/subject identification) to identify subjects of images before filtering by subject and transferring them wirelessly.

I stand by the meaning of the simile though. There's nothing original enough to be patentable in that claim.

A specific method for doing facial recognition should be patentable. "Use facial rec to identify individuals in images, then filter for specific individuals, then transfer those images" should not. If we allow patents on use cases, every use case will be patented and eventually the trolls will have a collection of patents that together cover the very idea of recognizing faces.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by colonwqbang on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:47PM (#21076428)
Like parent said, the patent doesn't actually seem have anything to do with facial recognition. I read it as talking about images that have already been identified, by some unspecified process. The process could be facial recognition, but it could also just be the user herself manually identifying each image.

I do agree that the patent is too unclear and broad, and that everything described must have been already known by 2008.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by leereeves on Thursday September 26, 2019 @06:27AM (#21079696)
I'm not fluent in patent lawyer, so I must say you might be right. I read "subject identification" as an active process that was part of the claim, but it could refer to a pregenerated tag instead.

Which would make the patent even more laughable. "Wirelessly transfer all images I've tagged with 'Vacation 2017'" is patentable?

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by dual_basis on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:43PM (#21076396)
Still sounds awfully general. I mean, it is clearly subjective, but I think the issue is the divide between domain specific technical expertise and lawyers / judges who would argue a patent is exploitable.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by t-writescode on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:12PM (#21074215)
How on earth can an obvious business practice be patented?

“yes, I would like to patent the sale of a spade when you buy a rake”

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:44PM (#21076406)
I wouldn't consider providing customers who paid for rakes with shovels instead to be an "obvious business practice"...
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by RandomTisk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:01PM (#21077175)
Reading comprehension fail.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by ithkuil on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:55AM (#21078592)
filtering the plurality of semantic interpretations using a transfer criteria wherein the transfer criteria is a sensible interpretation of a respective natural language sentence within the plurality of semantic interpretations
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by RandomTisk on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:05PM (#21086574)
Is that in a patent application for reading comprehension?
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by stark3 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:58PM (#21077163)
So images are indexed by topic, theme, and individual. Sub-setting the transfer on any of those indexes violates the patent? There must be more to it.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:39PM (#21073107)
Kodak had consumer wifi support then too. They had military cameras with satellite upload capability even earlier.