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Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by jchw on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:15PM (#21072853)
Aside fighting the patent, I hope this egregious act does not come without consequences. It may be meaningless, but I'm tempted to mail a letter to this company regarding my disapproval for the gesture they are sending to the open source community.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by dcolkitt on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:23PM (#21073619)
One reform worth considering is that an entity that can be demonstrated to persistently engage in frivolous patent lawsuits should lose the rights to their entire portfolio.

This could be accomplished with a legal mechanism that allows the defendant to counter-sue the plaintiff as a patent troll. In this scope they could bring in previous litigative history of the plaintiff (or any related entities, piercing the corporate veil). If the judge rules in the defendant's favor, then all of the plaintiff's patents (and any related entities) are immediately released into public domain.

This would go a long way to preventing patent trolling. And not just because of the direct incentives. Any entity engaging in a patent lawsuit would put their entire portfolio at risk. The larger the portfolio, the higher the risk. The individual or small company with one or a few patents has very little risk. Whereas the large company that hoards thousands and thousands of patents would bear enormous risk on any single lawsuit.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by alasdair_ on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @07:11PM (#21076604)
Another potential reform (from the book "Radical Markets") - charge a (say 1%) property tax on the patent based on self-assessed value, with the caveat that you MUST sell the patent to anyone willing to pay your claimed value.

This basically destroys patent trolling, which only works because of the asymmetrical difference in cost between obtaining a patent and defending a patent lawsuit. If the troll prices the patent too low, the person they are suing just buys it, if they charge too much, they have a massive recurring tax bill (and an incentive to settle quickly, not to drag it out in the courts for years).

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by stordoff on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:49PM (#21077107)
Doesn't this work against small-time inventors? Price it too high, and they can't afford to keep it (don't have time to sell it or build a business around it); price it too low, and someone can just buy it off them. Perhaps it could lapse sooner if you aren't paying the tax (to discourage people from just sitting on patents), but that doesn't solve patent trolling.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by _jal on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:52PM (#21077713)
Remember, the rationale for the existence of patents is to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts", not to reward people with monopolies, which is the mechanism.

This is one of several related reasons why I hate the term "intellectual property". Ideas are not property, and shoving them into a property-rights framework and thinking of them as such leads to all sorts of perverse results.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by alasdair_ on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:43PM (#21077962)
It would be possible to, say, make it royalty free until either you tried to use it in litigation or, say, five years had passed.

If you can’t make the thing event slightly useful in five years, society doesn’t gain much for you having an exclusive monopoly on the thing. So long as the tax is low percentage wise, the yearly cost to keep it as your own would be well worth it.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by mlyle on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:03AM (#21079100)
Doesn't work very well for e.g. drugs, where you may have the first 10 years of the patent term effectively useless because of approval cycles, etc.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by baroffoos on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:05PM (#21077781)
It seems fair that you should have to pay some kind of fee to reserve useful ideas. If you don't have the ability to turn ideas in to reality then they should be given to someone else who can pay the purchase price.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by holy_city on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:45AM (#21078544)
Add on a "use it or lose it" policy and I'm onboard. If the patent holder isn't building products with their IP or licensing it as the original author than they shouldn't be allowed to hold it.

It would disable "defensive" patent strategies where companies don't patent their actual technology, but the path to it, which is against the spirit of patents, and disable patent acquisition as an IP strategy.

Meanwhile companies like ARM, which live off IP licensing but wouldn't be punished because they're the original patent authors.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by antisemiotic on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:00AM (#21079090)
What about just losing software patents altogether? Sorry, but from my perspective on the other side of Atlantic, it looks like a yet another example of "there's no way to avoid this - says the only country where this happens".
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by rayiner on Thursday September 26, 2019 @06:10AM (#21079633)
They have software patents in many (most? all?) EU countries. The only thing they don’t have is patents on software code itself, which the US doesn’t really have either. See: https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/11/15/epo-publishes-revised-...

The main criteria in the EU is whether the method embodied in the software is “technical.” (Image recognition as opposed to say a business method.) See: https://mewburn.com/resource/patentability-of-business-metho...

In the US, under Alice, Section 101 has morphed into a very similar analysis.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by munk-a on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:41PM (#21076384)
I'd prefer just upping the potential consequences for patent trolling - heavier fines for standard violations and the option, if a violation can be shown to demonstrate clear intent, to jail the offender.

Seriously, want to solve all white collar crime ever? Put some jail time on the table and watch everyone straighten right out.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by behringer on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:13PM (#21074818)
So they'd have one company for every patent. It won't work.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by michaelmrose on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:41PM (#21075179)
Transparent shuffling of money and legal responsibilities don't have to be an effective shield if we follow the money.

Plus if you toss lawyer in jail and disbar them you will run out of lawyers to sac pretty quickly.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by cwkoss on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:15PM (#21074838)
> In this scope they could bring in previous litigative history of the plaintiff (or any related entities, piercing the corporate veil).
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by munk-a on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:39PM (#21076374)
Or alternatively you'd manage to take down all of microsoft's patents for that one time they thought a paper clip telling people what to do was innovative... Less jokingly, I'm sure microsoft has a dumb patent or two kicking around, that doesn't mean their entire suite is BS.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by yellowapple on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:52PM (#21077119)
There's a difference between having a handful of dumb patents among a sea of valid ones v. having a portfolio composed entirely of dumb patents.

There's also a difference between sitting on a handful of dumb patents v. most or all of your patent litigation cases being over dumb patents.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by munk-a on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:15PM (#21077252)
There isn't a difference unless that's outlined in the law or it's interpretation and I don't know how you'd sanely define things to disallow abuse here.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by coldpie on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:46PM (#21074553)
I'd go a step further. The people behind this lawsuit, and anyone else owning a software patent, should be in jail for fraud.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by Faark on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:15PM (#21083076)
The loosing side having to pay the legal fees of the winner is an often used mechanism to deter frivolous lawsuits. Patent troll cases I've seen tend to stick to places of trial/judges without those, so could be another area to improve...
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by mratsim on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:33PM (#21074424)
AFAIK that was what Facebook tried with their modified BSD that granted patents unless you sued Facebook.

Though that doesn't help against NPE.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by fludlight on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:59PM (#21075394)
Sounds like Anti-SLAPP with IP characteristics.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by chc on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:11PM (#21073477)
Patent trolls don't care what you think of them. They don't have customers to worry about offending. They're just corporate highwaymen.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by jchw on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:53PM (#21073959)
I mean sure, a single letter would not stop a company that is a known patent troll. On the other hand, a lot of letters may at least be felt, at least by employees handling the mail.

Or maybe not, maybe they’ll be laughing all the way to the bank. But you know, it’s not like it would take so much time or effort that it would be much of a shame if it did nothing at all.

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by magduf on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:11PM (#21074786)
These people are purely evil; they don't care what you think of them, and will just laugh at your letter before they toss it in the trash. You'll just be wasting your time.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by edoceo on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:12PM (#21074213)
You will waste more of your time than theirs.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by munk-a on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:45PM (#21076418)
I would applaud you sending a letter, but honestly this company might not even receive mail at their box or just outright discard items coming from unknown parties. I feel like you'd be putting some effort into this and they wouldn't even notice or read your letter.

These sorts of trolls tend to operate with a minimal amount of staffing since they're usually subsidiary spin off companies (so nothing but bare bones is allocated in terms of payroll) and since patent trolling is such a gamble (if you're trolling 200 patents with the expectation of getting one or two hits then you should try and minimize costs)

Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by P_I_Staker on Thursday September 26, 2019 @10:14AM (#21081039)
They know what they're doing, and they don't care that it's wrong.
Re:A patent lawsuit against GNOME by echelon on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:12PM (#21074798)
Take away Rothschild's ability to use any open source software bearing a license with a patent clause.

I'm sure his phone or internet access don't at any point rely on such software.