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Re:Centralised DoH is bad for privacy by CydeWeys on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @12:07PM (#21072071)
DoH is a vendor-neutral protocol. There are already many DNS providers beyond just Cloudflare offering it, and there's no reason that every existing DNS provider couldn't offer it in the future. DoH is simply DNS transmitted over a secure encrypted medium, whereas existing DNS is transmitted over an insecure unencrypted medium. It's very similar to HTTP vs HTTPS.

Somehow, groups that stand to gain a lot by continuing to be able to read and intercept DNS traffic have led a successful astroturfing campaign against DoH by conflating it with one specific implementation in Firefox that happens to use Cloudflare as default provider (though of course with the ability to choose other providers, as you can for search engine). This is not a good argument against DoH in general, for obvious reasons.

Re:Centralised DoH is bad for privacy by ti_ranger on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:41AM (#21078526)
> DoH is a vendor-neutral protocol.

But there are still gaps regarding discovery of DoH servers.

> DoH is simply DNS transmitted over a secure encrypted medium, whereas existing DNS is transmitted over an insecure unencrypted medium.

I think you're confusing DoH and DoT.

> It's very similar to HTTP vs HTTPS.

No, it isn't.

1)It is common to HTTP-redirect to HTTPS, and none of the DoH proponents have proposed/standardised discovery of DoH, as far as I can tell.

2)DoH means that suddenly many "features" of HTTP infect DNS, such as cookies. The RFCs allow for cookies, the question is, what cookies does Mozilla send in DoH requests, and what does Cloudflare do with them?

> Somehow, groups that stand to gain a lot by continuing to be able to read and intercept DNS traffic have led a successful astroturfing campaign against DoH by conflating it with one specific implementation in Firefox that happens to use Cloudflare as default provider (though of course with the ability to choose other providers, as you can for search engine).

Not only "groups that stand to gain", but users who stand to lose more privacy by exposing their DNS requests to Cloudflare by default.

DoH may be good (I think DoT would be better), and surely Mozilla could do a better job of encouraging DoT and/or DoH support by working to get better discovery of DoH and/or DoT instead of forcing all DNS traffic (for users it has identified are in the U.S., and by the way, how does it do that without additional privacy concerns) to a (to me) un-trusted third party.

Actually, I think in my country, if they do this, Mozilla would fall afoul of traffic interception laws.

Re:Centralised DoH is bad for privacy by yc12340 on Thursday September 26, 2019 @05:13AM (#21079393)
I don't want all my DNS requests to be sent to Cloudflare. I trust my ISP more than Cloudflare.

As for you claims about "astroturfing campaigns", — how do we know, that you aren't a part of one?