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Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by foxhop on Sunday September 22, 2019 @08:13AM (#21041001)
I would say, this will never be socially acceptable ... Until my parents in law installed multiple Alexa microphones in their house, and my family of origin all submitted DNA to ansestry.com to be indexed forever...

Generally speaking, the way to buy a soul is to offer convinieance. It doesn't even have to be major.

For all those thinking there will be regulation or protections, where are those protections for consumers of the current privacy violating services and products?

You sign on the dotted line and are bound by the terms, there is no big other to protect you from you own choices.

You choose whether you sell yourself, but once you do, don't expect a bigger force to keep you protected...

You are the only person who is going to advocate for you and the people you care about.

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by Invictus0 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:52AM (#21041612)
> You choose whether you sell yourself, but once you do, don't expect a bigger force to keep you protected...

Even that isn't true. Plenty of information can be gathered on even the most privacy oriented person due to the actions of others: see Facebook's shadow profiles, or even the use of the DNA your relatives uploaded to learn about your medical history.

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by foxhop on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:02AM (#21041662)
Yes, your friends and family can sell you as well... I have a huge shadow on Facebook because of my wife, as do my children who are not even at the age of consent.

If I ever commit a crime, or are framed for one and my DNA is used against me, you better believe my family has sold me out by giving up our shared and essential life force signature.

My point is, there is no big other, no religion, or government who will keep you safe from yourself and your choices. (Or the choices of your family and friends). Any human made laws are show through out history to be maliable, very flexible.

Those that bend the rules take power over those who dont, or don't understand.

A great example of this is tax law ... Huge power disparity between those wealthly enough to find ways to bend the law and those who cannot or do not...

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by jcims on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:51AM (#21041610)
>Generally speaking, the way to buy a soul is to offer convinieance.

Or safety.

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by GordonS on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:58AM (#21041639)
Yes, but only along with a constant barrage of FUD that demonises other nations, and has people in fear about things that are unlikely to happen.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by jeffdavis on Sunday September 22, 2019 @05:35PM (#21044105)
Why do you think this is limited to fearing other nations?

Say the word "drugs" or the word "guns" and watch the people rush to throw the Bill of Rights away.

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by GordonS on Monday September 23, 2019 @07:13AM (#21047746)
You're right, it's all about the "boogeyman de jour" - at present that's China and Russia, but it could just as easily be drugs, Islam, whatever.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by jcims on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:11PM (#21042065)
Totally agree but that hasn’t been a barrier in the past.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by umanwizard on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:24AM (#21041766)
> Until my parents in law installed multiple Alexa microphones in their house

How are the privacy implications of Alexa microphones any different from those of smartphones (which contain microphones and voice assistant software, just like the Echo does)?

Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by calvertdw on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:58AM (#21041974)
I think they mean the difference between "always listening" and "manual activation" or "no voice recognition" which is pretty significant.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by jsty on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:34PM (#21042228)
A fair few phones now can be set to have the virtual assistant listen for the wake-word in the same way as an Alexa / Google Home / ...
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by ip26 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:44PM (#21042311)
The one saving grace with phones is if they were constantly streaming recordings 24/7, you would probably notice the battery & data consumption. Much less so with wall-powered devices connected to WiFi.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by Rooster61 on Monday September 23, 2019 @10:07AM (#21049054)
All you need to do to get around those things is just beam the recordings over when the phone is plugged in, say, when people are sleeping, and simply exempt the recorded data from the metrics.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by umanwizard on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:04PM (#21045384)
If Alexa were streaming recordings 24/7, someone would have noticed it by now. It's not that hard to inspect a device's data usage, even over WiFi.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by zxcmx on Monday September 23, 2019 @04:32AM (#21046976)
It's easy to inspect your one, that didn't get the custom firmware loaded or bugdoor activated. To be fair the applies to mobiles as well (and probably more so since they are better targets).
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by umanwizard on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:17PM (#21051016)
OK, but this is moving the goalposts. If the CIA has put custom backdoor framework on your device then all bets are off, whether it's an Echo or a smartphone. This isn't really the situation that was being talked about on the thread.
Re:Brains are the last frontier of privacy by RandomBacon on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:47PM (#21042325)
I can't wait for my phone with hardware switches to arrive in the mail.