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Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by skissane on Saturday September 21, 2019 @06:24AM (#21034498)
This isn’t a new problem, people were saying the same thing 20 years ago. And it isn’t accurate or fair to say it is a problem only with students of one single nationality, it’s not. It’s really the conflict of interest inherent in fee-paying international students - if you fail too many of them, they will leave and not come back and you lose out on future revenue from them - worsened by the fact that lowering English language entry requirements improves enrolment and revenue but then the students struggle academically because they can’t understand the course and struggle with writing essays/assignments/exams in English.
Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by missosoup on Saturday September 21, 2019 @06:39AM (#21034543)
While some milder pressures might exist for full fee paying students, they are not remotely comparable to the political and academic pressure exerted by the CCP through the export of international students. The faculty is explicitly protective of the interests of China[1]

You will not find headlines like [2] about any other full fee paying demographic. As much as I hate to say it, Australia more or less belongs to China [3]

[1] https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/university-...

[2] https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/05/29/u-s-schools-e...

[3] https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/d4slfj/australia...

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by holografix on Saturday September 21, 2019 @07:19AM (#21034644)
We need to say it loud and clear and reduce our dependency on Chinese money.
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Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by bcrosby95 on Saturday September 21, 2019 @12:27PM (#21036253)
> Besides which, that sounds like a One-nation policy. That sort of sounds-sorta-racist/nationalist ideology won't fly in modern Australia.

Your first paragraph was fine. This is over the line. Bullshit like this is why people of opposing viewpoints can't discuss things - because assholes label them like this. "Oh, but i didn't call them racist!" Stop playing games. We aren't idiots.

If you can't keep discourse harming comments like this to yourself, you shouldn't bother at all, because you make it impossible for actually reasonable people to discuss different viewpoints.

Or you can just continue then wonder why politics are "so bad". Look in the mirror.

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by hdfbdtbcdg on Saturday September 21, 2019 @08:26AM (#21034909)
Hang on are you accusing the OPs of racism because they are opposed to corruption?
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Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by LilBytes on Saturday September 21, 2019 @11:35AM (#21035939)
This isn't Facebook. HackerNews isn't about to go around accusing people of being OneNation sympathises though I do understand the position you're taking here.

Being critical of the influence of fee-paying students in University can quickly become hyperbolic.

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by roenxi on Saturday September 21, 2019 @12:15PM (#21036181)
The original comment was talking about blocking Chinese money from coming into Australia on the basis that it was associated with mainland Chinese ideology. That is unadulturated nationalism and it will almost certainly be interpreted as racist by the worlds up-and-coming superpower and probably in Australia as well. It clearly aligns with the goals of the mid-far right.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I'm just pointing out we have a political ideology that wants this and it is a long way out of the mainstream. "We want to isolate ourselves from China" is a radically fringe position in Australia. We are not a nationalist nation, we are a nation of immigrants with a very fluid identity. It would also be strategic suicide to antagonise the regional superpower.

We are not going to exclude China. If China wants to send students to Australia we are going to take them in and accept whatever money they have. That isn't an accusation, that is a frank assessment of what has been obvious in Australian politics for the last decade.

I feel for Hong Kong, I truly do, but China has a long reach now; much like America. You can't run from American influence anywhere in the world [0]. There is no hope of escaping China while still basically being in Asia.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Invest...

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by holografix on Saturday September 21, 2019 @02:02PM (#21036858)
We are happy to take any students’ university fees and provide them with a market competitive educational curriculum.

The reality of China’s population being 56,3 times that of Australia coupled with a non-democratic, expansionist government is great cause for concern.

The amount of influence China already exerts in Australia is alarming, as is evidenced by the property bubble they helped fuel by laundering money outside of the eyes of the communist party. Or the propaganda machine that prints free English language newspapers for distribution in major Australian capitals.

Business and government and intrinsically linked in China and Australia is well advised not to become China’s subservient lap dog.

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by LilBytes on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:55AM (#21046285)
I don't agree, I'm far left leaning and consider Chinese money or rather, seeing a greater scrutiny of it's use in Australia to see partisan support.

Similar to how Sam Dastyari [1] was forced out after he'd been shown to receive significant donations. I'm not across this piece as much as I would like so I may be missing some nuance there.

I imagine China's influence in Australian State and Federal government to be a lot more pervasive than this. But it's more of a dirty secret than we're led to believe.

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/12/sam-d...

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by dis-sys on Saturday September 21, 2019 @08:31AM (#21034944)
> That sort of sounds-sorta-racist/nationalist ideology won't fly in modern Australia.

just grab another VB sit back and watch then?

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by friendlybus on Saturday September 21, 2019 @01:42PM (#21036751)
Not convinced money has a large enough impact to own a country. There was an old fear of Japan buying everything up.

This concern about cyber is a problem, but if China needs to influence Aus it just needs to pick up the phone line to our PM. It doesn't need to make big moves via covert action, as much as it may try.

Re:Australian universities are accused of trading free speec... by wendyshu on Saturday September 21, 2019 @10:32AM (#21035594)
In my experience, among international students the Chinese students were actually not the worst cheaters. But in China there does seem to be a cultural tolerance for what we would consider cheating, from scientific misconduct to IP theft. The education system is usually what's blamed.