Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by Syzygies on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:01PM (#21010149)

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer.

It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by cperciva on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @07:27PM (#21011610)

It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college.

This is true but not necessarily for the reasons you think. Epstein-Barr is largely harmless in younger children, showing up largely as a common cold. It's not that the "farm kids" didn't get infected; it's just that they were infected long before they got to college.

(And to preempt a common question: No, we shouldn't proactively expose kids to Epstein-Barr when they're young. While they wouldn't get mono, Epstein-Barr has other long term effects; for example, it has been implicated as a trigger for autoimmune disorders.)

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by extipion on Thursday September 19, 2019 @03:13AM (#21014026)

Michael Douglas had hpv+ SCC throat cancer. Hpv is a virus, has nothing to do with the gut microbiome as it is commonly discussed and is the cause of cancers of the cervix and head and neck. The oncogenic varieties are sexually transmitted. So he’s right.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by robbiep on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:53PM (#21012473)

Michael Douglas’ cancer was caused by HPV - a Virus not a bacteria. HPV is a well known oncogenic Virus

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by homero on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:08AM (#21013456)

Yeah but he jokes about it being from cunnilingus

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by robbiep on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:26AM (#21013806)

More than likely that is how he caught it - but it is not a bacteria

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by rolltiide on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:33AM (#21013840)

Jamie Dimon had throat cancer and the first thing I thought of was him eating some ladies out

I paid for my HPV vaccine out of pocket while the money was good, with the risk of it being completely ineffective at my ripe old age of 26

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by irrational on Thursday September 19, 2019 @09:13AM (#21015812)

Does he smoke cigars? Throat (and mouth) cancer is common in cigar smokers.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by rolltiide on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:06PM (#21018214)

Perhaps. HPV was also linked to throat cancer. It requires contact with HPV, and is one of the only ways HPV directly affects men, because they put an HPV infected part of the body in their mouth.

Not here to debate probabilities, but it is interesting how the possibility is controversial to some

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by amelius on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:07PM (#21010213)

> Farm kids are healthiest

Why can't we just buy some farm dirt in pill form?

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by joshpadnick on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:05PM (#21010776)

My sister works as a physician at Phoenix Children’s Hospital and they are literally studying whether giving “dirt pills” to children helps prevent asthma. Wish I could find the link for more info.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by refurb on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:28PM (#21011056)

Coronado Biosciences tried to treat Crohn's disease using hookworm eggs. Basically give the patient a bunch of eggs, the hook worms hatch, cause an immune response, then die (as they can’t live in humans).

Clinical trial showed no impact at all on the disease.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by alanh on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:49PM (#21011277)

I think you mean to say they can't, but… they can https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/hookworm/gen_info/faqs.html

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by refurb on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:57PM (#21011343)

I did mean “can’t”.

Coronado used porcine (pig) hookworm eggs that’s can’t complete a reproductive cycle in humans.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by qazpot on Thursday September 19, 2019 @03:28AM (#21014095)

A great idea for a startup.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by iyw on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:58PM (#21010705)

Because it's easier and more effect for one to just go outside.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by iyw on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:04PM (#21010180)

Cancerlingus?

Preposterous.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by User23 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:42PM (#21010559)

HPV can cause mouth and throat cancer[1].

[1]https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/can-oral-sex-give...

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by iyw on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:57PM (#21010694)

So that would be HPV causing cancer. Not cunnilingus. If you are insinuating that the transmission of HPV is through cunnilingus then fine. But stating a direct causation is careless.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by eT8AZithxooKei6 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:36PM (#21011144)

So that would be the impact causing injury. Not stepping in front of a car. If you are insinuating that the impact was caused by stepping in front of a car then fine. But stating a direct causation is careless.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by rolltiide on Thursday September 19, 2019 @04:13AM (#21014313)

everyone here is insinuating that the transmission of HPV is through cunnilingus in this context

Ask yourself, why are you missing this context or being intentionally obtuse? you aren’t smarter or deemed as smarter for pointing out the obvious that other transmission methods are possible, everyone already knows that and is still enjoying these euphemisms because of their relatable conscious decision to give head. Curious what the thought process was here

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by tomp on Thursday September 19, 2019 @07:49AM (#21015312)

Another thing you might never have thought about, but might be real (subject of recent and ongoing research): women incorporating DNA from men's sperm into their bodies. Search "microchimerism" with "sperm", e.g. [1]. (There's probably more instances of "sharing DNA from close encounters", but this one is particularly easy to research simply by checking for Y chromosome in women's bodies.)

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27623703

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by irrational on Thursday September 19, 2019 @09:12AM (#21015801)

That's interesting. This is totally off the wall, but I've noticed that many long time couples start to look like each other. I've assumed it was from environmental factors, but what if there was some biological basis as well? Crazy to think about.

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by eatbitseveryday on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:46PM (#21018646)

> I've noticed that many long time couples start to look like each other.

Even if they're not from the same ethnic group?

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Re:Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome ... by alanh on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:47PM (#21011258)

not ridiculous — it leads to higher chances of throat cancer, tragically, thanks to certain viruses being picked up in this manner. (I know, viruses and bacteria are not the same, but they share transmission vectors)

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